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I don't like smoked beer, heavy rye beer or any beer that doesn't taste like beer.
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Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« on: May 16, 2014, 06:41:09 PM »
Recipe:

Munich, wheat or Pilsen - 37% - bready base grain, maybe a combo

Rye - 30% - because rye
Cherrywood smoked malt - 30% - tastes like smoked ham to me
Midnight wheat - 3% - for brown color

Sterling - 30ibu - half @ 60, half @ 20 

Mustard seed and Tumeric @ 10.  Quantity undetermined.
Salty water profile

s-05 yeast fermented cool.  6% ABV

Planning on doing a small batch for obvious reasons.  Nothing about this recipe is intended to be subtle.  I want it to taste like a liquid smoked ham sammich on rye with mustard.

What do you think?  Please vote.  Thank you.
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 06:44:39 PM by Kinetic »

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2014, 07:03:20 PM »
Never been a ham fan, but I love a local smoked bacon porter. Go for it!
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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2014, 07:03:37 PM »
I gotta say it...just because a smoked ham on rye sandwich is good doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea for a beer.
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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2014, 07:08:05 PM »
I can't say it wouldn't be interesting but my first reaction was "interesting, like a fake Chinese proverb interesting, but you never really know.

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2014, 07:08:14 PM »
All things considered, not a fan of sandwich beers. But I do love sandwiches. And I like Rauchbier, which might be a similar option but a little better.      ;)
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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2014, 07:23:40 PM »
I gotta say it...just because a smoked ham on rye sandwich is good doesn't necessarily mean it's a good idea for a beer.

Good point.  I like tuna fish with dill, lemon and Miracle Whip on toasted wheat, but won't be trying to make a beer out of it.  I understand how this is a potentially blasphemous recipe idea in your sacred temple of rye.

I don't mind brewing a gallon or two of drain pour.  Satisfying my curiosity accomplishes something.  Just curious what other people think.  It's ok to hate the idea.

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2014, 07:27:18 PM »
And I didn't mean to come off as dickish.  We're all a one man brewery, and we can do what we damn well want. It just made me think of Northern Brewer's new 'Bacon beer' kit - my thought on it was to just brew Rauchbier.
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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2014, 07:32:24 PM »
Never been a ham fan, but I love a local smoked bacon porter. Go for it!

Some people think Breiss cherrywood smoked malt tastes like bacon which coincidentally comes from the same animal as ham.  Most ham that you can buy in the store isn't smoked to the extent of a back yard smoked ham.  I'm going for back yard smoked ham flavor which could be mistaken for bacon.

Thanks for the encouragement! 

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2014, 07:44:02 PM »
And I didn't mean to come off as dickish.  We're all a one man brewery, and we can do what we damn well want. It just made me think of Northern Brewer's new 'Bacon beer' kit - my thought on it was to just brew Rauchbier.

I haven't seen the kit and have never brewed a kit.  I'll take a look at it for the purpose of R&D.

Nothing you said was dickish.  Offending me is a difficult task.  It's impossible to offend me based on honest feedback for a weird beer recipe.   

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2014, 08:10:20 PM »
Good point.  I like tuna fish with dill, lemon and Miracle Whip on toasted wheat, but won't be trying to make a beer out of it.  I understand how this is a potentially blasphemous recipe idea in your sacred temple of rye.

I don't mind brewing a gallon or two of drain pour.  Satisfying my curiosity accomplishes something.  Just curious what other people think.  It's ok to hate the idea.

It's not that it's "blasphemous" or that I hate the idea.  It's just that I can't imagine wanting a beer to have those flavors.
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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2014, 08:11:22 PM »
This is the NB bacon beer kit. 

SPECIALTY GRAIN
- 2 oz English Chocolate Malt
- 6 oz Gambrinus Honey Malt
- 10 oz Caramunich III
- 12 oz Briess Cherrywood Smoked Malt
FERMENTABLES
- 3 lbs Amber DME
- 1 lb Wheat DME
- 3.15 lbs Dark malt syrup (15 min late addition)
HOPS & FLAVORINGS
- 1 oz Willamette (60 min)
- 30 mL Bacon Extract (Flame out)

Considerably different than my Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard malt beverage. Three Floyds made a Ham on Rye beer, but wimped out and forgot to add the mustard!

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2014, 08:36:17 PM »

I don't mind brewing a gallon or two of drain pour.  Satisfying my curiosity accomplishes something.  Just curious what other people think.  It's ok to hate the idea.

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It's not that it's "blasphemous" or that I hate the idea.  It's just that I can't imagine wanting a beer to have those flavors.

With odd ball beer recipes, you have to pretend it isn't beer and forget about styles, brewing traditions, etc. 

Look at it like it's just flavors.  If the flavors are good, it doesn't have to taste like a beer to be a tasty beverage.  If I could figure out a way to make a 5% abv liquid hasenpfeffer, I'd do it.  Ham on Rye with Mustard seems more attainable.

           

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2014, 08:43:09 PM »
I'd say the only thing that is especially weird about it is the spices. Never had mustard seed or turmeric in a beer before.  It kind of sounds like a malty smoked brown rye ale.

Maybe add a little caraway seed to get the rye bread flavor. Rye malt doesn't really taste like rye bread with caraway seeds.

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2014, 09:01:26 PM »
I'd say the only thing that is especially weird about it is the spices. Never had mustard seed or turmeric in a beer before.  It kind of sounds like a malty smoked brown rye ale.

Maybe add a little caraway seed to get the rye bread flavor. Rye malt doesn't really taste like rye bread with caraway seeds.

Caraway seeds sounds like a definite possibility, thanks.  I have had two pro beers made with mustard seeds.  One was super tasty, but not really because of the mustard seeds, the other was a mess, but not because of the mustard seeds. 

I thought about turmeric only because it's a common ingredient in yellow mustard.  Yellow mustard is mustard seeds, turmeric and vinegar.  Maybe I should just add mustard.

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Re: Smoked Ham on Rye with Mustard Beer
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2014, 09:02:43 PM »
Turmeric might be more useful in a much lighter colored beer. They won't hardly show up in your brown beer