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Lost track of ABV
« on: June 01, 2014, 11:50:27 AM »
I brewed a beer and 3 months later added 3lbs of cherries and a brett strain.  What would this add to a beer's abv?  My only reading is my OG and I haven't taken any others along the way.  Ballpark figure, or a rough idea of how I could get a more accurate reading in the end??
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2014, 12:31:13 PM »
Approximately 1%.

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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2014, 06:30:25 PM »
Probably not much really. Fruit adds sugar but also volume. Often the added volume makes the result close to zero or sometimes it's even negative. You could guesstimate by converting the brix of cherry juice and guessing how much juice is in 3lbs. Convert brix to SG and calculate a weighted average.

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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2014, 12:39:26 AM »
That's actually quite good to know! Thanks man. I learned something new today...
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2014, 06:32:25 AM »
Now that I'm on a computer I can type this out.
 
I asked the internet, and it says that sweet cherries have a brix ~20 (SG = 1.083), tart cherries are ~13 (SG = 1.053), and that 3lbs of cherries contain 1.25 quarts of juice. So you can see that sweet cherries will probably raise OG of most beers, though probably only a little. However, tart cherries added to a beer with OG > 1.05 will actually lower OG.
 
Calculate a 'revised' OG from this formula.
 
(Wort OG * Wort Volume) + (Juice OG * Juice Volume)
-------------------------------------------------------------      =     New OG of Wort + Juice
                  (Wort Volume + Juice Volume)


For example - tart cherry juice added to 5 gallons of 1.070 OG beer.

(1.070 * 20 quarts) + (1.053 * 1.25 quarts)         21.4 + 1.32
-------------------------------------------------    =   --------------   =  1.069
                     21.25 quarts                                      21.25
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2014, 07:40:38 AM »
I'd call the cherries a wash for all practical purposes. I'd be more concerned with how far down the Brett takes it. I'd just take a gravity now and use your original OG measurement for calculating your ABV.  ABV equations are just estimates anyways, so this will get you close enough.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2014, 08:45:43 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2014, 08:47:14 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.

What is ppg?
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2014, 08:49:45 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.

What is ppg?

Points/lb./gal.  The number of gravity points you get from one lb. in one gallon.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2014, 09:41:23 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.

What is ppg?

Points/lb./gal.  The number of gravity points you get from one lb. in one gallon.

Seems high  :-\...because as a comparative measure regular 2-row lends roughly 35 ppg, corn is about 36 ppg and sucrose (table sugar) is 46 ppg.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2014, 09:45:16 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.

What is ppg?

Points/lb./gal.  The number of gravity points you get from one lb. in one gallon.

Seems high  :-\ ...because as a comparative measure regular 2-row lends roughly 35 ppg, corn is about 36 ppg and sucrose (table sugar) is 46 ppg.
Sucrose is 46 points per pound per gallon, or the points yielded by dissolving one pound into one gallon of water. 2row would be the same I think. ppg only works for liquids. Although the abbreviations may get mixed up, I don't know.
 
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2014, 10:06:32 AM »
Seems high  :-\...because as a comparative measure regular 2-row lends roughly 35 ppg, corn is about 36 ppg and sucrose (table sugar) is 46 ppg.

There are 13 gr. of sugar in one cup of cherries.  I assume Drew extrapolated from there.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2014, 10:11:08 AM »
There are 13 gr. of sugar in one cup of cherries.  I assume Drew extrapolated from there.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2014, 10:11:28 AM »
According to research we did for the book, sweet cherries have about 79 ppg and sour about 65 ppg.

What is ppg?

Points/lb./gal.  The number of gravity points you get from one lb. in one gallon.

Seems high  :-\ ...because as a comparative measure regular 2-row lends roughly 35 ppg, corn is about 36 ppg and sucrose (table sugar) is 46 ppg.
Sucrose is 46 points per pound per gallon, or the points yielded by dissolving one pound into one gallon of water. 2row would be the same I think. ppg only works for liquids. Although the abbreviations may get mixed up, I don't know.
 
I know this to be fact; I read it on the internet.

I believe technically its the SG when one pound of a fermentable is diluted to a total volume of 1 gallon. The SG of a solution made from 1lb of cherries topped up with enough water to make one gallon of solution is the ppg.
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Re: Lost track of ABV
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2014, 10:17:23 AM »
Seems high  :-\...because as a comparative measure regular 2-row lends roughly 35 ppg, corn is about 36 ppg and sucrose (table sugar) is 46 ppg.

There are 13 gr. of sugar in one cup of cherries.  I assume Drew extrapolated from there.

at that rate a gallon of cherries would only contain about .5 lb sugar or, if the sugar was perfectly extracted, about 23 ppg.