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When you can't get proper german saaz
« on: June 20, 2014, 09:02:38 PM »
because there aren't any grown organically available on the spot market and everything has to be organic for various reasons and you want to brew a bo pils what do you do?

The options are New Zealand Saaz (Motueka), German Spalt Select, German saphir, G. Hallertaur (Tradition or mittlefrueh), G. Opal, G.Perle, Am. Sterling, Am Liberty.

There are a few others but those are the ones that immediatly seemed like they might work.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 09:52:35 PM »
Not sure if you find sub for Czech Saaz. It is quite distinct hop. US Saaz is closer to hellertau. Hellertau is too clean.


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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2014, 05:02:41 AM »
I've made a Belgian blonde table beer with tett and used sterling for the late addition.  It was a beautiful beer.

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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 05:27:51 AM »
The saphir might be an acceptable substitute. Firestone Walker uses it in Pivo Pils (although that's more of a German pils than a Bo pils).
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2014, 06:17:16 AM »
Sterling would be my choice. I have used it in a couple of beers and like it. It is a Saaz derivative.

Tettnanger has the same DNA as Saaz according to Stan Hieronymus. Differences in flavor and aroma are due to soil and climate.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2014, 06:23:24 AM »
+1 to Sterling. But not sure if there's an organic variety.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2014, 06:35:08 AM »

Tettnanger has the same DNA as Saaz according to Stan Hieronymus. Differences in flavor and aroma are due to soil and climate.
Humans and bananas have 97% the same DNA and I would not substitute one for the other.


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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2014, 06:39:49 AM »

Tettnanger has the same DNA as Saaz according to Stan Hieronymus. Differences in flavor and aroma are due to soil and climate.
Humans and bananas have 97% the same DNA and I would not substitute one for the other.
Same DNA as in identical. The terroir makes them different.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2014, 08:14:08 AM »
I guess it depends on how close to the BJCP's insistence on saaz you want to follow.

I would opt for saphir or sterling.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2014, 08:59:56 AM »


Tettnanger has the same DNA as Saaz according to Stan Hieronymus. Differences in flavor and aroma are due to soil and climate.
Humans and bananas have 97% the same DNA and I would not substitute one for the other.
Same DNA as in identical. The terroir makes them different.

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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2014, 09:13:51 AM »


Tettnanger has the same DNA as Saaz according to Stan Hieronymus. Differences in flavor and aroma are due to soil and climate.
Humans and bananas have 97% the same DNA and I would not substitute one for the other.
Same DNA as in identical. The terroir makes them different.

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I did not think you were.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2014, 09:59:10 AM »
Do you guys pronounce it as Zahts or Sahz? A few people in my homebrew club say zahts and it just sounds funny to me as I always say sahz.
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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2014, 10:32:01 AM »
In reality it should be call žatecký červeňák.
http://obchod.chizatec.cz/index.php?obsah=produkty&kat=34&lang=cz

Check this site. It is Czech hop institute.
http://chizatec.cz/en/

You can ask there If you can get organic Saaz.


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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2014, 10:42:47 AM »
Motueka is nice, but I don't think it is a good substitute for Saaz.  Motueka has plenty of lime.   

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Re: When you can't get proper german saaz
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2014, 11:00:06 AM »
I've had some really crappy Sterling, and some Sterling that was almost a perfect substitute for Saaz.  Nothing else has really come close.

it isn't a problem for me, as I use Mittelfrueh much more often, and love Liberty in its place.  Of the stuff I make regularly, BPA is the only style where I really need/prefer Saaz.