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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 08:57:59 am »
I think Saison is in Strong Belgian because there is a strong version. For me the key is remembering that the Category is arbitrary, not defining but merely a manner of organizing. So the same problem you are seeing would occurr if they cut and pasted saison into a different category more suitible for the table strength. Then the question would be how does the super saison fit there...

What will make things interesting is in a competition. Putting a table strength saison up against a Tripel.
But categories that contain descriptors are no longer arbitrary. They gain meaning. And in no way is 3.5% strong. It makes more sense to have a strong Belgian category contain super saison and triple and a small Belgian category with table saison, refectory beer, etc.

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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2014, 09:06:30 am »
But categories that contain descriptors are no longer arbitrary. They gain meaning. And in no way is 3.5% strong. It makes more sense to have a strong Belgian category contain super raison and triple and a small Belgian category with table raison, refectory beer, etc.



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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 11:48:07 am »
Might be worth pointing out comments made on the AHA Forum are simply discussion. Comments made on the BJCP Forum or sent to the style email address are captured and may be acted upon by the style committee.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2014, 11:52:04 am »
It took me about 5 min to get on the bjcp forum. Ive posted a few comments and so far have not been lynched, so I say go for it. Make your contributions

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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2014, 12:34:04 pm »
Might be worth pointing out comments made on the AHA Forum are simply discussion. Comments made on the BJCP Forum or sent to the style email address are captured and may be acted upon by the style committee.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 04:07:43 pm »
It took me about 5 min to get on the bjcp forum. Ive posted a few comments and so far have not been lynched, so I say go for it. Make your contributions
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 05:02:44 pm »
That, will not surprise me

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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2014, 09:45:37 am »
I noticed the volume of comments about the new guidelines lined up with my own thoughts about the biggest issues.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2014, 02:21:22 pm »
I like a lot of what im seeing. I still find the category organization to be confusing and probably fodder for arguments for years to come.

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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2014, 03:29:50 pm »
I know what they're doing and I understand why and everything, but... my heart clamors for simplification.  I feel we need fewer styles, not more.  I find the differences between many of the styles to be so very slight that they deserve union rather than separation.  It's all grown overly cumbersome, and almost no longer worth the bother to keep up with.  My 2 cents, after reviewing most of the styles in great detail over the weekend.  I'm trying to like the new guidelines, and maybe they'll grow on me.... but I don't think so.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2014, 05:59:42 pm »
Dave Houseman has been advocating doing away with the categories all together and simply numbering the 'styles' B1, B2...Bn.

I'm starting to lik that idea more and more.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2014, 06:50:04 pm »
I understand the merits. But I wonder if that would affect new judge recruitment.

"Hey, want to be a beer judge? Just memorize these 127 beer styles."

Sure they'll do it anyway, but the task seems less daunting split into related categories.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2014, 07:20:38 pm »
Why memorize numbers? You can't taste them in the beer. Why have a test question "what number is wee heavy? " 

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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 12:38:07 pm »
I understand the merits. But I wonder if that would affect new judge recruitment.

"Hey, want to be a beer judge? Just memorize these 127 beer styles."

Sure they'll do it anyway, but the task seems less daunting split into related categories.

you still have to memorize 127 styles, you just also have to memorize 30 plus categories and those categories relationships with the 127 styles.
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Re: 2014 BJCP Style Guidelines are out for review
« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2014, 01:59:53 pm »
Actually I believe it will boil down to only having to know about the same number of styles one currently needs to know. Some styles will never appear on the exam like clone beers...
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