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Si Hoses & Camlocks
« on: July 04, 2014, 04:59:15 PM »
I'm about to order a bunch of Camlock QD's and Si hose to upgrade my system with.  1/2" hose and 1/2" npt males look right.  I'm thinking female Camlocks with 1/2" hose barbs, but it looks like that may be somewhat of a flow restriction.  But is it significant?  Should I go to the next larger barb, the 5/8"?  How about hose clamps, just use the usual SS worm drive type?  Thanks!  Brew On!
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2014, 05:02:19 PM »
I personally prefer the female camlock with female 1/2 NPt with a 1/2 male barb with male NPT thread.  It gives more heft, more area to hold, and better flow because you are right, the camlock barbs are very narrow.
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 05:31:08 PM »
Jeff, you stretch the 1/2" ID Si hose over the 1/2" NPT?  I'm surprised it's not too much stress.  It isn't hard to accomplish, and the hose doesn't fail after some time?  Bargain Fittings web site shows this as an option, but I was concerned there's too much interference.
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2014, 05:35:32 PM »
Nope, the 1/2 Silicone hose fits on a 1/2 barb perfectly. you should of course use smooth band hose clamps to keep the hose on the barb.  I have not had any failures.  The closest i have come is to much pressure from a pump causing a hose to balloon, and that is not a barb issue.  Thats a careless person issue:)
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2014, 01:23:29 PM »
Nbarmbrewer,
It says "1/2" High Flow Hose Barb," but that's clearly a larger barb, no wonder they get more flow.  I'm looking at Bargain Fittings, and they suggest using 5/8" barbs for better flow, but you have to add a fitting to get there;

http://www.bargainfittings.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=36_39_61

That makes it over $5 more per fitting.  The re-design from Brewers Hardware is $3.20 more.  Either way, I question the Si hose stretch to that bigger barb.  Do you use 1/2 Si hoses? 

Is there really a significant flow reduction?  My runs are short, 7' max. hose length, using a Chugger in-line pump.  I used 1/2" O.D. vinyl in the past, and I'm hoping for somewhat more flow, but it's not a big deal.
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2014, 06:19:14 PM »
I calculated the headloss due to that small passage through those fittings and found that it was something like 2 inches of headloss. Not enough to worry about. Don't worry about it.
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2014, 06:27:24 PM »
Martin,

You're the man, problem solved by solid Engineering analysis, can't beat it.  Thanks a ton.

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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2014, 06:45:22 PM »
I use the BIG C camlock, with his 1/2" silocone tubing, works great -
http://brewhardware.com/fittings-75/102-camlock-disconnects

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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2014, 08:07:25 PM »
Joe6Pack,

I'm sure Big C CamLock's work great with 1/2" Si tubing, I recently found that a friend in Florida uses them, and is very happy with them, but if there's little pressure drop with the simple 1/2 barb, I'm going to just go for them. 

Thanks to everyone who responded, and I hope this discussion has helped more than just me.  So much of good brewing is knowing which variables are important, and which can slide.  This is one more small lesson.
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Re: Si Hoses & Camlocks
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 09:08:42 AM »
Nbarmbrewer,
It says "1/2" High Flow Hose Barb," but that's clearly a larger barb, no wonder they get more flow.  I'm looking at Bargain Fittings, and they suggest using 5/8" barbs for better flow, but you have to add a fitting to get there;

http://www.bargainfittings.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=36_39_61

That makes it over $5 more per fitting.  The re-design from Brewers Hardware is $3.20 more.  Either way, I question the Si hose stretch to that bigger barb.  Do you use 1/2 Si hoses? 

Is there really a significant flow reduction?  My runs are short, 7' max. hose length, using a Chugger in-line pump.  I used 1/2" O.D. vinyl in the past, and I'm hoping for somewhat more flow, but it's not a big deal.

I use 1/2" I.D. hoses max length about 7'. The barbs are still pretty tight going into the hose but i still use a hose clamp on it for the "Just in case".