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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2014, 10:58:01 PM »
So the mason jar of Pacman stored under a beer layer that's been in my fridge for 4 months may not be good?  That stuff is hard to get here in Missouri now that BrewCraft has opened the east coast warehouse.  They don't carry Pacman but that's the warehouse that ships to KC.

it's probably fine. there are so many cells (10's or 100's of billions) that have been kept carefully in their own specially engineered environment designed to preclude other organisms as much as possible.

That being said, are you willing to risk a batch? I would be, S.Cerv might not be.
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2014, 01:10:18 AM »
That being said, are you willing to risk a batch? I would be, S.Cerv might not be.

You're talking about a guy who spends a C-note on yeast strains that have almost no brewing data.  I could be ordering and pitching a brewery contaminant for all I know.  ;D 

With that said, I have pitched six month-old crops without making a starter;  however, it's not something that I would recommend.   I usually wake a four-month old crop up before pitching it.  That way, the viable cells can be separated from the dead cells.


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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2014, 02:11:09 AM »
That being said, are you willing to risk a batch? I would be, S.Cerv might not be.

You're talking about a guy who spends a C-note on yeast strains that have almost no brewing data.  I could be ordering and pitching a brewery contaminant for all I know.  ;D 

With that said, I have pitched six month-old crops without making a starter;  however, it's not something that I would recommend.   I usually wake a four-month old crop up before pitching it.  That way, the viable cells can be separated from the dead cells.

I'm definitely no microbiologist, but many of my jars get the "sniff test" when I pull them out of the fridge.  First, they should look ok- no black spots, weird things, etc.  And when you open it, it should smell like a yeasty beer smell.  If there is any weird odor- sour, fecal, etc, but plain old "not right"- the jar should be discarded. 

I try to use my jars relatively quickly, but sometimes they sit too long and I don't have any pangs about tossing them if they aren't right.  It's not scientific at all, but as a long time brewer sometimes just a "not right" feeling is as good as a microscope.   Other times, well, no.  But the sniff test will definitely tell you if it's "off" without a microscope, as there is no mistaking severe problems (like 'fecal').

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2014, 02:37:59 AM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2014, 10:28:01 AM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
Most styles call for low to no shart aroma or flavor. Just sayin

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2014, 01:10:36 PM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
Most styles call for low to no shart aroma or flavor. Just sayin

Funny stuff.   AB's new slogan :  "Our beer's not sharty  -  we promise."
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2014, 03:15:23 PM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
Most styles call for low to no shart aroma or flavor. Just sayin

Funny stuff.   AB's new slogan :  "Our beer's not sharty  -  we promise."
Miller Lite: Great taste, less shart
 
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2014, 03:24:47 PM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
Most styles call for low to no shart aroma or flavor. Just sayin

Funny stuff.   AB's new slogan :  "Our beer's not sharty  -  we promise."
Miller Lite: Great taste, less shart
 
This bring new meaning to Heineken refreshes the parts other beers cannot reach.

Coors :  Made from shart-free Rocky Mountain water.    :)
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2014, 03:29:52 PM »
I think you're right, I would recognize fecal... And not pitch
Most styles call for low to no shart aroma or flavor. Just sayin

Funny stuff.   AB's new slogan :  "Our beer's not sharty  -  we promise."
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This bring new meaning to Heineken refreshes the parts other beers cannot reach.

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #69 on: December 16, 2014, 04:28:37 PM »
So the mason jar of Pacman stored under a beer layer that's been in my fridge for 4 months may not be good? 

Or it may be fine.  Make a starter and find out.
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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #70 on: December 16, 2014, 04:34:29 PM »
So the mason jar of Pacman stored under a beer layer that's been in my fridge for 4 months may not be good? 

Or it may be fine.  Make a starter and find out.

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #71 on: December 16, 2014, 07:35:17 PM »
I was referred to this thread not too long ago when I asked a question about yeast rinsing and so I tried the new method of swirling the yeast with a little of the left over beer then decanting off once settled.  It really worked great- it seems the washing process at best is just an extra unnecessary step and at worse may lead to other problems.  I went ahead and made some fresh wort to feed it and it's bubbling away in a flask ready to go for brew day in a week or two.  Thanks for the good advice!

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2014, 09:59:51 AM »
I was referred to this thread not too long ago when I asked a question about yeast rinsing and so I tried the new method of swirling the yeast with a little of the left over beer then decanting off once settled.  It really worked great- it seems the washing process at best is just an extra unnecessary step and at worse may lead to other problems.  I went ahead and made some fresh wort to feed it and it's bubbling away in a flask ready to go for brew day in a week or two.  Thanks for the good advice!
Awesome stuff huh?

Not picking on you, but its not a new method. If you think about it its the oldest method. Yeast have been storing themselves in whatever they have fermented since they first became yeast...

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #73 on: January 14, 2015, 02:17:03 AM »
So I just bottled my milk stout and didn't rinse. Now I have this and I'm not too sure what layers I should transfer to my mason jars. Can you help me figure it out? Thanks!!

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Re: Just say "no" to yeast rinsing
« Reply #74 on: January 14, 2015, 02:19:16 AM »
Don't know if it'd make a difference but the yeast used was Dannys favorite by wyeast