Membership questions? Log in issues? Email info@brewersassociation.org

Author Topic: Autolysis help  (Read 2712 times)

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Autolysis help
« on: August 03, 2014, 12:11:42 pm »
I have a beer in the keg that has a rubber smell which I assume is autolysis. If I were to transfer to another keg would the beer taste clean up?

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 27130
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 12:13:54 pm »
Assuming it IS autolysis, I don't think xferring will make any difference.  But autolysis is more often described as a meaty, brothy flavor/aroma than rubbery.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline duboman

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1578
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 12:16:29 pm »
Could you be thinking medicinal or band aid like, plastic?

Auto lysis is usually not an issue on the homebrew scale, more large batch/commercial.

Phenolics or chlorophenols could be the issue
Peace....Love......Beer......

The Commune Brewing Company-Perfecting the craft of beer since 2010

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 12:37:48 pm »
I don't think it's medicinal, it really smells like the bottom of a tennis shoe. I used a new batch of 001 yeast, and am pretty careful about sanitation.
I don't think phenolics, not spicy or smokey.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 12:49:24 pm by speed »

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 27130
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 02:06:57 pm »
I don't think it's medicinal, it really smells like the bottom of a tennis shoe. I used a new batch of 001 yeast, and am pretty careful about sanitation.
I don't think phenolics, not spicy or smokey.

Well, maybe it is, but it just seems unlikely given the freshness of the yeast.  And the fact that I can't even recall the last time I tasted it.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 02:11:15 pm »
I have recently been using beersmith and playing with mineral additions, maybe I am doing something wrong.
One other thing I forgot to mention is the beer isn't wanting to clear, normally I never have problems with that.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2014, 02:26:05 pm by speed »

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 27130
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 02:36:09 pm »
I have recently been using beersmith and playing with mineral additions, maybe I am doing something wrong.
One other thing I forgot to mention is the beer isn't wanting to clear, normally I never have problems with that.

If you're gonna play with water, use Bru'nwater.  I've gotten better results with it than anything else.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline duboman

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1578
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 02:50:28 pm »
Also, when playing with water be sure to have your water analysis first so you know the base profile, if not you're simply guessing and that doesn't always work so well;(
Peace....Love......Beer......

The Commune Brewing Company-Perfecting the craft of beer since 2010

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2014, 02:58:55 pm »
Denny you're right I used brunwater and yes i have my report from ward labs so I wasn't guessing. Maybe I didn't enter something right, I don't know.

Offline reverseapachemaster

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 3781
    • Brain Sparging on Brewing
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2014, 06:53:28 am »
If it is cloudy and rubbery then that sounds like the beer is infected.
Heck yeah I blog about homebrewing: Brain Sparging on Brewing

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2014, 07:40:23 am »
That is an option I'm scared of. I've had infected beers before and I don't really think that's it but time will tell.

Offline denny

  • Administrator
  • Retired with too much time on my hands
  • *****
  • Posts: 27130
  • Noti OR [1991.4, 287.6deg] AR
    • Dennybrew
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2014, 09:32:03 am »
Denny you're right I used brunwater and yes i have my report from ward labs so I wasn't guessing. Maybe I didn't enter something right, I don't know.

If you want to email me your spreadsheet, I'll see if I can see anything off.  Better yet, see if Martin has time to take a look.
Life begins at 60.....1.060, that is!

www.dennybrew.com

The best, sharpest, funniest, weirdest and most knowledgable minds in home brewing contribute on the AHA forum. - Alewyfe

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2014, 05:05:24 pm »
The beer I am referring to is an amber with crystal hops throughout. I have had it on co2 for a couple days now and it is about 5 weeks old. Tonight it isn't quite as cloudy and the yeasty smell has subsided somewhat. I am not getting the rubbery smell that I did  so maybe the co2 had something to do with it. This is the first time using crystal hops so don't have any experience with them.

Offline speed

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 339
  • Thedford nebraska
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2014, 09:12:00 am »
Wanted to get back to you on this, I think it is the yeast. I have another beer doing the same thing and after reviewing my notes a little closer I used a different yeast than I originally thought. It was 1272 and this was the 5th or 6th generation so it's possible the yeast turned against me. Anyway 2 kegs are getting dumped. Sucks to be me :-[

Offline thirsty

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 304
  • Brewster, NY
Re: Autolysis help
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2014, 09:23:46 am »
Also, what temp are you fermenting at?