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polyclar and carbonated beer
« on: August 04, 2014, 08:03:44 PM »
any idea if I can polyclar an already kegged and carbed CAP to get rid of some persistant haze?
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2014, 05:29:17 AM »
Have you already tried gelatin?  Doesn't polyclar need to be filtered out?
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2014, 05:48:44 AM »
Polyclar will settle out pretty well in 2 or 3 days. Then easy to pump out in the first pint. I use gelatin and now Biofine Clear for this, and like both better. I remember Polyclar as being more prone to stripping away some flavor. I'm sure it depends on how much you use.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2014, 06:42:18 AM »
I've only used gelatin but every time I've used it the result has been great.

That being said I've only ever used it at the beginning of carbonating the beer not after.

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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2014, 07:36:27 AM »
I'd be afraid that you get a lot of foaming/gushing when adding it to a fully carbed beer. Otherwise, I don't see why it should be an issue in a closed/pressurized keg. When the CO2 is in solution it's no different than any other solute dissolved in the liquid (sugars/salts/etc).
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 08:06:14 AM »
I'm vegetarian so I'm not going to use gelatin. I may just be being impatient. it's only been lagering for a week. Does maize throw haze? (ha that rhymes) I guess I expected it to be really clear because of the low protein.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 08:54:06 AM »
I'm vegetarian so I'm not going to use gelatin. I may just be being impatient. it's only been lagering for a week. Does maize throw haze? (ha that rhymes) I guess I expected it to be really clear because of the low protein.

hmm i dont think maize throws haze. i think its worth a shot to add the polyclar but get the kegged sealed up real quick after adding it to reduce the chance of foaming up.

IME theres a big difference between 1-3 weeks lagering and even more from 3-5.

Bertus has a good post about it, granted he uses gelatin you can still see the difference in clarity from 2-5 weeks.

http://www.bertusbrewery.com/2012/08/cold-conditioning.html

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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2014, 08:58:57 AM »
It's only been lagering a week? It wouldn't be clear in a week, give it 2 or 3 more weeks. Just be patient!
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 09:02:49 AM »
It's only been lagering a week? It wouldn't be clear in a week, give it 2 or 3 more weeks. Just be patient!

gah! why does everyone say that to me?  ;D
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2014, 09:18:43 AM »
It's only been lagering a week? It wouldn't be clear in a week, give it 2 or 3 more weeks. Just be patient!

gah! why does everyone say that to me?  ;D

So your maize gave a haze for the first 7 days???

I'm amazed...

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FWIW since I started fermenting lagers using the Narziss method (some BN loyal call it the Tasty method), my lagers are never clear when they're ready to drink (14-20 days).

So far, I have stuck with Polyclar and creative naming: "Keller Pils" or "Unflitered Pils". I bought a filter but haven't used it...

I've been really happy with Polyclar. Its definitely your best (only?) veg/vegan-friendly option for cellar fining. Shouldn't matter if the beer is carbonated, it will just take longer to drop out.

It is inorganic (plastic), so you might transfer to another keg once everything settles out.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2014, 09:29:17 AM »
Cool.

I'll give it another week or so and if it isn't at least looking like it is working on it I'll get some polyclar.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2014, 09:46:04 AM »
It's only been lagering a week? It wouldn't be clear in a week, give it 2 or 3 more weeks. Just be patient!

gah! why does everyone say that to me?  ;D

So your maize gave a haze for the first 7 days???

I'm amazed...

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FWIW since I started fermenting lagers using the Narziss method (some BN loyal call it the Tasty method), my lagers are never clear when they're ready to drink (14-20 days).

So far, I have stuck with Polyclar and creative naming: "Keller Pils" or "Unflitered Pils". I bought a filter but haven't used it...

I've been really happy with Polyclar. Its definitely your best (only?) veg/vegan-friendly option for cellar fining. Shouldn't matter if the beer is carbonated, it will just take longer to drop out.

It is inorganic (plastic), so you might transfer to another keg once everything settles out.
Is this the method where you warm it up a few degrees after 48 or 72 hours until it's in the mid 60's? This is how I ferment my lagers. They sometimes take up to 6 weeks to really get clear which is a tad annoying. I'm not that patient.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2014, 10:23:58 AM »
Cool.

I'll give it another week or so and if it isn't at least looking like it is working on it I'll get some polyclar.
FWIW for 5 gallons I add 1 TBS of polyclar,  I mix it with 1-2 oz of vodka (that seems to take the "edge" off the particles and causes less foam).  Do NOT try to mix it in the beer until it is under pressure!
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2014, 11:12:13 AM »
Is this the method where you warm it up a few degrees after 48 or 72 hours until it's in the mid 60's? This is how I ferment my lagers. They sometimes take up to 6 weeks to really get clear which is a tad annoying. I'm not that patient.

Yep!

I don't wait either... the Pils is best served fresh! This is why I'm a big fan of Polyclar (esp when I dryhop). It won't be brilliant unless you filter (or lager for several weeks), but I'm ok with fair clarity unless serving to a crowd or entering a comp.
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Re: polyclar and carbonated beer
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2014, 11:14:39 AM »
Does fermenting it like that somehow make it more prone to chill haze, or what? I do like my lagers bright and clear, I just need to give them more time. I don't like adding things to my beer if I don't have to.
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