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Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« on: October 03, 2014, 05:46:45 PM »
I promise this will be the last recipe I post for a bit.  I greatly appreciate all the help I've received so far with my other posts.  What are your thoughts:


Malt:
11.60 lb Pale Malt (2 Row)
.83 lb Carafa I
.73 lb Munich Malt - 10L
.62 lb White Wheat Malt

Boil:
.13 oz Nugget (90 min)   
.25 oz  Nugget (75 min)
.5 oz Styrian Goldings  (75 min)
1.5 oz Styrian Goldings  (5 min)

1 lb D-180
.75 lb Dextrose
.5 lb Brown Sugar, Dark
.5 lb Brown Sugar, Light
Sugars added with 15 minutes left of boil

Flameout:
1 orange (zest)
1 cinnamon stick
1 teaspoon dried chamomile
8 cardamom pods
1 star anise
1 teaspoon dried lavender
1/4 teaspoon wormwood leaf

Yeast:
Wyeast Labs #3787
 

Prime with 3.75 oz of table sugar and 2 tablespoons of Angostura Bitters

Add rye whiskey soaked oak cubes to secondary
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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 06:03:31 PM »
when I saw manhattan style I was afraid there would be tomatoes in it. Like they do with chowder
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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 06:05:06 PM »
I have no experience brewing Quads, and little experience drinking them. To me though, it seems like you have an awful lot going on here. I know there were suggestions on your other beer to not try too many flavor additives at once, or it will all get muddled together or trample each other. My only real suggestion is to simplify, but again that is an uninformed suggestion.
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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 06:08:19 PM »
69franx I understand where you're coming from.  The herbs should all work together to give me a vermouth flavor. 

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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 06:09:56 PM »
when I saw manhattan style I was afraid there would be tomatoes in it. Like they do with chowder

haha I'm all for experimenting with new flavors, but I'd be afraid of tomato in my beer too. 

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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 06:19:33 PM »
Some of the best beers are the simplest beers.

Choose 1 possibly 2 spices if they work together.
Choose 1 sugar type.

How are you getting your grain weights?  I generally go in .25lb increments, maybe 1/8th lb. if necessary.

The main issue is mixing all kinds of sugars and spices together and expecting one or two to stand out.

Do you want people to say this is really nice orange flavored beer?

Or do you want people to say, this tastes like mud?

Complexity is usually derived through simpler means like using a different base malt.

Just some thoughts.

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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 06:27:09 PM »
Some of the best beers are the simplest beers.

Choose 1 possibly 2 spices if they work together.
Choose 1 sugar type.

How are you getting your grain weights?  I generally go in .25lb increments, maybe 1/8th lb. if necessary.

The main issue is mixing all kinds of sugars and spices together and expecting one or two to stand out.

Do you want people to say this is really nice orange flavored beer?

Or do you want people to say, this tastes like mud?

Complexity is usually derived through simpler means like using a different base malt.

Just some thoughts.


I appreciate the input.  I use a powder scale. I already have dextrose and brown sugar.  The D-180 would've been added anyway.  It's cheaper than buying more D-180 and should work well together.  No single ingredient should stand out. When making a tea several ingredients can work very well together as long as there is balance. 

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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 07:43:06 PM »
when I saw manhattan style I was afraid there would be tomatoes in it. Like they do with chowder
I was going to post the same thing.
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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 07:58:34 PM »
I appreciate the input.  I use a powder scale.

I mean the weights in your recipe, not what you use to weigh grains.  IMO, odd weights simply make a recipe more complex than need be.

No single ingredient should stand out. When making a tea several ingredients can work very well together as long as there is balance.

A good test is to remove one ingredient.  If you don't notice a difference, it's not really contributing anything worthwhile.  The difference between mud and complexity.

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Re: Manhattan Style Belgian Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 08:21:03 PM »
....IMO, odd weights simply make a recipe more complex than need be.


When scaling recipes for various efficiency or volumes, I often have weights that like this. I'll go to the 1/10 of an ounce even. Sure it takes more time, but it doesn't make it more complex. I also weigh my hops and water additions to the 1/100 of a gram.

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Re: Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 08:28:49 PM »
I'd lose the wheat and bump the Munich up to a lb.
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Re: Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 10:01:39 PM »
I'd lose the wheat and bump the Munich up to a lb.

You're so down on wheat in quads.  But I think I agree with you.  I'm not sure what the wheat brings to the table in this beer.
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Re: Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 11:00:41 PM »
haha yeah I like wheat in my quads. I dig the sweet, doughy flavor but I'm not against removing it.  It would be cheaper to lose it and bump the Munich. 

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Re: Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2014, 03:28:43 AM »
Have you used wormwood in anything before? Is 1/4 tsp in 5 gallons an acceptable amount? Wormwood is potent, vile stuff. Best be careful with that one!
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Re: Belgian Manhattan Quad - Please offer advice
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2014, 03:47:23 AM »
I've used wormwood for homemade vermouth.  I've never brewed with it though.