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carb volume for 22oz bottles
« on: November 04, 2014, 03:55:51 PM »
im a keg guy so never really deal with bottles. but i've diced to start bottling my hefeweizens since i wan that nice yeast swirls in the bottom of a good bottle of hefeweizen vs having it all settle out in a keg.

planning on bottling in 22oz bottles , with 4.0 vol - safe?
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 04:04:03 PM »
My answer would be it depends. That is with no experience making hefes. I have bottled almost every beer I have made in the last 16 months in Stone bombers. I have calculated levels from 2.0 up to 3.2, with no failures yet. My saison at 3.2(projected) is highly carbed, and have not had any issues with bottle bombs. Someone more experienced with bombs may have a different answer, but 4 vols seems like it could be a problem. When doing my saison, I asked about the same question and think, with the bottles I was using, the consensus was to stay under 3.5 to be safe. If you have LHBS bought homebrew 22's, I dont know if they will be any stronger or weaker. I am interested to hear what others have to say on this subject though
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 04:34:21 PM »
I don't think they are rated for that high. it might be fine but it might not. and that is very high carbonation. The style calls for high carbonation but I don't know about that high. try it at 3 or 3.5 tops to start and see if it gets you what you want.
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 06:45:55 PM »
I probably wouldn't do it. That's 50-60 psi at room temperature. I don't know what bombers are rated to, but the standard single-use longnecks are typically 45 psi, and unless the glass is thicker the larger bottle would hold up to less pressure.
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2014, 07:01:53 PM »
I probably wouldn't do it. That's 50-60 psi at room temperature. I don't know what bombers are rated to, but the standard single-use longnecks are typically 45 psi, and unless the glass is thicker the larger bottle would hold up to less pressure.

understood and good points. i guess im thinking that a 12oz bottle is rated for up to 3 vol and , and 22oz are thicker-so wondering if 4 vol in twice the cubic space might be safe. maybe i will just do a sample run of one bottle of my pale ale since its ready at 4, place bottle in plastic bag and in a plastic bucket (explosion containment) and see what happens.

so far doesn't seem to be much info I can find on the 22oz on the web.

edit: i do the the 16oz belg style bottle is rated up to 70psi - might be a better alternative.
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2014, 07:58:37 PM »
I probably wouldn't do it. That's 50-60 psi at room temperature. I don't know what bombers are rated to, but the standard single-use longnecks are typically 45 psi, and unless the glass is thicker the larger bottle would hold up to less pressure.

understood and good points. i guess im thinking that a 12oz bottle is rated for up to 3 vol and , and 22oz are thicker-so wondering if 4 vol in twice the cubic space might be safe. maybe i will just do a sample run of one bottle of my pale ale since its ready at 4, place bottle in plastic bag and in a plastic bucket (explosion containment) and see what happens.

so far doesn't seem to be much info I can find on the 22oz on the web.

edit: i do the the 16oz belg style bottle is rated up to 70psi - might be a better alternative.

the diameter of the 22 oz bottle is greater therefor the container is rated at a lower pressure (psi) than the 12 ounce given the same thickness of glass. I would guess that both 12 and 22 oz bottles are rated for 3 volumes. the belgian style would be fine.

on the test of one bottle, that's not a large enough sample size to draw any useful conclusions. you could package a whole batch and isolate each bottle in it's own containment. then you would start to have enough data to draw conclusions. but even then confidence would be low.
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2014, 10:28:21 PM »

I probably wouldn't do it. That's 50-60 psi at room temperature. I don't know what bombers are rated to, but the standard single-use longnecks are typically 45 psi, and unless the glass is thicker the larger bottle would hold up to less pressure.

understood and good points. i guess im thinking that a 12oz bottle is rated for up to 3 vol and , and 22oz are thicker-so wondering if 4 vol in twice the cubic space might be safe. maybe i will just do a sample run of one bottle of my pale ale since its ready at 4, place bottle in plastic bag and in a plastic bucket (explosion containment) and see what happens.

so far doesn't seem to be much info I can find on the 22oz on the web.

edit: i do the the 16oz belg style bottle is rated up to 70psi - might be a better alternative.

the diameter of the 22 oz bottle is greater therefor the container is rated at a lower pressure (psi) than the 12 ounce given the same thickness of glass. I would guess that both 12 and 22 oz bottles are rated for 3 volumes. the belgian style would be fine.

on the test of one bottle, that's not a large enough sample size to draw any useful conclusions. you could package a whole batch and isolate each bottle in it's own containment. then you would start to have enough data to draw conclusions. but even then confidence would be low.

Well I'm going to take the advice and keep it to 3vol.


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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 01:42:53 AM »
I have bottle conditioned to ~3 volumes in bombers many times without issue. I do inspect the bottles before hand to look for flaws and to pull out any that seem thin. My experience is that, mine. Take it with a grain of salt.

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 02:31:03 AM »
I have bottle conditioned to ~3 volumes in bombers many times without issue. I do inspect the bottles before hand to look for flaws and to pull out any that seem thin. My experience is that, mine. Take it with a grain of salt.

Forgive my ignorance....what does  ~3 mean. Greater or up to 3 vol?


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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 02:33:32 AM »
Forgive my ignorance....what does  ~3 mean.

In this context, "approximately 3".
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 02:37:08 AM »
Forgive my ignorance....what does  ~3 mean.

In this context, "approximately 3".

Ok thanks. So considering my highest temp is 68f, that's what I use along with target of 3 vol and 5.25 gal bottled to determine amount of corn sugar , correct?


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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2014, 02:37:45 AM »

Forgive my ignorance....what does  ~3 mean.

In this context, "approximately 3".
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2014, 05:12:25 PM »
Well carb at 3.0 vol with 5.75 ounces of corn sugar..,,,fingers crossed they make it
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2014, 05:19:31 PM »
so lets say for sake of argument i over primed my bottles. those of you that bottle, would you check at the end of a week and see where its at, and then perhaps several days or week later again? from what ive read, it could take 3 weeks or so for full carbonation and i imagine i can halt the process with cold crashing the bottles whenever i feel im there.
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Re: carb volume for 22oz bottles
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2014, 05:26:50 PM »
you can slow the process a lot but it won't halt it completely. But you're on the right track. I might wait two weeks (who and I kidding, I don't wait two weeks to taste the first bottle when I bottle a batch)
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