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How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« on: November 04, 2014, 07:59:57 PM »
Lagered an Oktoberfest 96 days, and a Boh Pils 40. They both seem hazy. They've been at 31*F the whole time. What's up?
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2014, 08:03:11 PM »
does it clear up if you let a sample come up to room temp?

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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2014, 08:08:08 PM »
does it clear up if you let a sample come up to room temp?
Yeah, a little.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2014, 10:05:52 PM »
that's chill haze. a combination of that and permanent haze. I THINK that has to do with mash pH but more details might be useful. did you use floor malted pils for these beers?
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 12:35:35 PM »
that's chill haze. a combination of that and permanent haze. I THINK that has to do with mash pH but more details might be useful. did you use floor malted pils for these beers?
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 12:53:06 PM »
There's no reason lagering that long that that would be a yeast haze, it is almost certainly a protein haze. How are you checking your pH?

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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2014, 01:14:51 PM »
There's no reason lagering that long that that would be a yeast haze, it is almost certainly a protein haze. How are you checking your pH?
Hanna Ph meter.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2014, 02:08:37 PM »
There's no reason lagering that long that that would be a yeast haze, it is almost certainly a protein haze. How are you checking your pH?
Hanna Ph meter.

Well, if it is any consolation I had a six packs of Paulanor Salvator that had obvious chill haze issues twice in the last 4 months. 

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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2014, 03:57:23 PM »

There's no reason lagering that long that that would be a yeast haze, it is almost certainly a protein haze. How are you checking your pH?
Hanna Ph meter.

Well, if it is any consolation I had a six packs of Paulanor Salvator that had obvious chill haze issues twice in the last 4 months.

That's funny you mention that about salvatore. I had some last month and thought the same thing about the haze...wasn't sure if it was my eyes and the alcohol making it all fuzzy


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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2014, 05:26:21 PM »
Do you know the calcium level of your liquor?
Lack of calcium can bring about haze issues.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2014, 11:02:19 PM »
What yeast?  I find that 833 clears a lot slower than 830.  If I don't fine, it's noticeably clearer after 12 weeks than 6.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2014, 04:19:50 PM »
What yeast?  I find that 833 clears a lot slower than 830.  If I don't fine, it's noticeably clearer after 12 weeks than 6.
I would think that long at 31F would be clear though. All beers clear eventually.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2014, 03:04:25 AM »
I've had beers that didn't clear at 8 weeks, but then were Crystal clear at 12...sometimes that yeast hangs in suspension for crazy long with lagers.  Others cold crash clear in 6 weeks grain to glass.  Sometimes the same strain but different generation, too.
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2014, 01:43:33 PM »
I've had beers that didn't clear at 8 weeks, but then were Crystal clear at 12...sometimes that yeast hangs in suspension for crazy long with lagers.  Others cold crash clear in 6 weeks grain to glass.  Sometimes the same strain but different generation, too.
Yep, that's my experience too. Some beers just take longer to clear, but they all clear eventually. I'm just impatient...
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Re: How come my lagrs are cloudy?
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2014, 04:36:32 PM »
What yeast?  I find that 833 clears a lot slower than 830.  If I don't fine, it's noticeably clearer after 12 weeks than 6.
Its the 830; added Gypsum and CACL to RO mash and sparge water.
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