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« on: November 05, 2014, 02:23:10 PM »
Any thoughts?

59% pilsner
30% wheat
8% flaked oats

Added during fermentation
2% wildflower honey
1% molasses

WY1007?
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2014, 02:28:12 PM »
Saw that in Zymurgy last issue and it looks interesting and fin to brew. Had never heard of it before.

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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2014, 02:49:57 PM »
I'm going to brew one soon as well based on the recent article.  Looks like a very interesting style.  Goschman, your recipe looks good, although I'd have a slight concern that indeed any more than 0.5% molasses might be too much.  But maybe try the 1% anyway and see how it turns out?  This is a style also where I can see wanting to add a LOT more honey to it... like, would it be too far out of style to use 25% honey??  I might like to try that sometime.  Also, a good style to play with malted oats instead of flaked and see what that brings to the party.  Just thinking out loud.
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 03:02:51 PM »
I'm going to brew one soon as well based on the recent article.  Looks like a very interesting style.  Goschman, your recipe looks good, although I'd have a slight concern that indeed any more than 0.5% molasses might be too much.  But maybe try the 1% anyway and see how it turns out?  This is a style also where I can see wanting to add a LOT more honey to it... like, would it be too far out of style to use 25% honey??  I might like to try that sometime.  Also, a good style to play with malted oats instead of flaked and see what that brings to the party.  Just thinking out loud.

I did not see the Zymurgy article. I will take a look. I had a tasty commercial example recently and saw a recipe in radical brewing that peaked my interest.

These percentages were off the top of my head. I think the amount of molasses is only 2 oz but I am not sure what percentage that works out to with my other weights. The recipe I saw was 2 oz molasses and 2 oz honey. I doubled the amount of honey to 4 oz although I realize it may be imperceptible.
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2014, 08:54:50 PM »
I've brewed the recipe from Radical Brewing. 

I can't remember if the recipe as written calls for the lighter colored molasses or the darker stuff, but from my experience I would say do not use the darker stuff. 
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
I brewed the Zymurgy recipe on Monday and added the honey + molasses at flame out. I used the White Labs 029 with a good sized starter and it is fermenting at 60 degrees. It is chugging away nicely. I am really interested to see what impact the small amount of sugars have on the finished beer along with the mouth feel from the oats.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2014, 02:57:21 PM »
I've brewed the recipe from Radical Brewing. 

I can't remember if the recipe as written calls for the lighter colored molasses or the darker stuff, but from my experience I would say do not use the darker stuff.

How did this turn out? Did you use a German ale yeast or a Kolsch yeast? I use WLP029 for about 3 different beers but have never used a German ale yeast like WY1007 so I thought I would give that a go. Also did you use the recommended hops?

I have a hard time buying hops that I don't regularly use so I was thinking just bittering with magnum and maybe some cascade/Willamette for later additions even though I realize that will take it out of 'style'. I have been meaning to purchase some saaz so maybe I will go that route...
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2014, 03:18:33 AM »
I've brewed the recipe from Radical Brewing. 

I can't remember if the recipe as written calls for the lighter colored molasses or the darker stuff, but from my experience I would say do not use the darker stuff.

How did this turn out? Did you use a German ale yeast or a Kolsch yeast? I use WLP029 for about 3 different beers but have never used a German ale yeast like WY1007 so I thought I would give that a go. Also did you use the recommended hops?

I have a hard time buying hops that I don't regularly use so I was thinking just bittering with magnum and maybe some cascade/Willamette for later additions even though I realize that will take it out of 'style'. I have been meaning to purchase some saaz so maybe I will go that route...

I brewed the recipe pretty much as written except I used dark molasses.  When that stuff ferments out, it leaves kind of tangy, sulfur character that I could do without.  I think you'll be happier if you use the lighter variety that the recipe calls for.



 
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2014, 02:08:30 PM »
I've brewed the recipe from Radical Brewing. 

I can't remember if the recipe as written calls for the lighter colored molasses or the darker stuff, but from my experience I would say do not use the darker stuff.

How did this turn out? Did you use a German ale yeast or a Kolsch yeast? I use WLP029 for about 3 different beers but have never used a German ale yeast like WY1007 so I thought I would give that a go. Also did you use the recommended hops?

I have a hard time buying hops that I don't regularly use so I was thinking just bittering with magnum and maybe some cascade/Willamette for later additions even though I realize that will take it out of 'style'. I have been meaning to purchase some saaz so maybe I will go that route...

I brewed the recipe pretty much as written except I used dark molasses.  When that stuff ferments out, it leaves kind of tangy, sulfur character that I could do without.  I think you'll be happier if you use the lighter variety that the recipe calls for.


Thanks! I will give it a go here soon and just modify that recipe as planned. For some reason my lighter colored beers come out better than other styles so I think this could be tasty.
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Re: kottbusser
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2015, 11:27:49 AM »
I brewed this on 25 Jan. I followed the partial mash recipe. I had to convert the LME to DME (I'm stationed somewhere with limitations on liquids in the post). I got a 1.042 OG and here I am 6 days later and the gravity is 1.010.  Brewtoad guestimates 1.006.

It tasted...hmmm...don't know how to describe it. A not-crisp Kolsch? 

I'm going to test the gravity again on Tuesday and if it hasn't changed, I'll bottle.