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how much hops for late hop additions
« on: December 02, 2014, 06:00:13 PM »
We all know how much hops we need to add to reach our IBUs, and for dry-hopping. However, I am not sure how much to add for late hop additions, from - say - 10 minutes to flameout and hop stands. I see the (small) impact it has on bitterness, but apart from that? How many ounces per gallon (I wouldn't dare ask for grams per liter on this forum, of course) would you recommend?
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2014, 06:03:10 PM »
We all know how much hops we need to add to reach our IBUs, and for dry-hopping. However, I am not sure how much to add for late hop additions, from - say - 10 minutes to flameout and hop stands. I see the (small) impact it has on bitterness, but apart from that? How many ounces per gallon (I wouldn't dare ask for grams per liter on this forum, of course) would you recommend?

This probably isn't what you want to hear, but it depends on the beer style and your own tastes.  It's so subjective that I would hesitate to give an amount.  The best thing to do is look at what others do as an example, try it yourself and adjust from there.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2014, 06:05:37 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 06:16:35 PM »
The best thing to do is look at what others do as an example, try it yourself and adjust from there.


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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 06:25:50 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2014, 08:20:52 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2014, 09:09:06 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.

See? Numbers is what I want. How difficult can it be?  :P Thank you, erockrph
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 09:52:31 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.

See? Numbers is what I want. How difficult can it be?  :P Thank you, erockrph

it's difficult partially because, for instance, Eric has an unnatural love of overloading his beers with hops.seriously he has an illness around hops. He's just plain silly.

for my last hoppy brew I did ~1.25 grams per liter at flamout with a 20 minute stand @ < 76c and am planning 2 grams per liter dry hopping. but this is for a 1.042 og beer.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2014, 10:08:15 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.

In Mitch Steele's IPA book he suggests  an ounce  per gallon late hops for an IPA on the high end and 4 oz per gallon as the high end for a 2xIPA.

That being said some brewers will go over that and the 'Less is More' case study (for Marble brewing) in the book mentioned how the brewery dropped late hops from 0.85 oz/gallon to 0.41 oz/gallon and preferred the results.



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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2014, 10:26:48 PM »
If you can give a beer style, others will likely have some good advice.

Well, I had bought some Falconer's Flight that I wanted to get to know, so I brewed the simplest IPA with 95% pale and 5% amber, S-04 yeast, 1064 SG and 55 IBU with nothing but FF. I had no clue how much to add at 5, 0, and whirlpool.
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.

See? Numbers is what I want. How difficult can it be?  :P Thank you, erockrph

it's difficult partially because, for instance, Eric has an unnatural love of overloading his beers with hops.seriously he has an illness around hops. He's just plain silly.

for my last hoppy brew I did ~1.25 grams per liter at flamout with a 20 minute stand @ < 76c and am planning 2 grams per liter dry hopping. but this is for a 1.042 og beer.
Agreed. Both on my unnatural hop addiction and the reason why so many are hesitant to give you an exact number. Whatever you decide for your starting point, just be mindful that it is exactly that - a starting point. Make a best guess and just go for it, then tweak as needed.

And there's nothing wrong with brewing smaller batches while you're trying to dial something in. I brew 1-gallon batches all the time when I'm taste-testing new ingredients.

And while we're talking numbers, I will say that 1 pound per gallon is definitely too much hops.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2014, 05:07:03 PM »
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.

See? Numbers is what I want. How difficult can it be?  :P Thank you, erockrph
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It can be more difficulty than you think.  I'm a total hophead, but I'd never use an oz./gal. for a hop stand.  Which is why I said to pick a number and see what you think.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 05:21:09 PM »
Very generally, total hopping rates for US breweries' pale ales run from around 1 lb/bbl to 5 lb/bbl - or more, for guys who are going nuts with the triple IPAs. 4-20 g/L.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 05:44:49 PM »
Very generally, total hopping rates for US breweries' pale ales run from around 1 lb/bbl to 5 lb/bbl - or more, for guys who are going nuts with the triple IPAs. 4-20 g/L.

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I use about a pound of hops in a 5.5 gallon batch for an IPA which I rarely go over a 1.070 OG.

Roughly 2 oz FWH, 2 oz 60 (always Columbus), 4 oz 10, 4 oz 0, and 4 oz dry hop.... This has become my sweet spot for IPAs!
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 05:49:03 PM »

It can be more difficulty than you think.  I'm a total hophead, but I'd never use an oz./gal. for a hop stand.  Which is why I said to pick a number and see what you think.

I agree Denny - it's about as tough as telling someone how much fruit to use. And FWIW I wouldn't use an oz/gal hop stand either after adding late hops - I've moved all my late hops to the stand. So I just add what I normally would late boil into the stand.
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Re: how much hops for late hop additions
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2014, 06:07:32 PM »
It really depends on your taste. For an IPA I'd save all your late hops for the hop stand. I think 1 oz/gallon is a good starting point for your whirlpool hops, and maybe half as much for dry hops. Whirlpool at 170F or so for 30-60 minutes.

See? Numbers is what I want. How difficult can it be?  :P Thank you, erockrph

It can be more difficulty than you think.  I'm a total hophead, but I'd never use an oz./gal. for a hop stand.  Which is why I said to pick a number and see what you think.
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