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Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« on: December 07, 2014, 05:11:29 PM »
I just bought More Beers temp controlled conical fermenter because I want to brew a classic German pale lager. I read the brewing classic lager article on the AHA site and it recommends fermenting your yeast starter at 50 degrees. I typically use a stir plate when making my starter, but don't have a practical way to keep the starter at 50 degrees. In order to maintain that temp couldn't I just brew the starter in my temp controlled conical and pour my cooled down wort in with it once my starter has reached a good yeast cell population? I'm talking about a 5 gallon batch. I've brewed with a California common yeast lager before since it is more tolerant to higher fermenting temps, but this time I want to use a more classic lager yeast. Any recommendations for a SMASH pale German lager?
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2014, 05:18:42 PM »
I just bought More Beers temp controlled conical fermenter because I want to brew a classic German pale lager. I read the brewing classic lager article on the AHA site and it recommends fermenting your yeast starter at 50 degrees. I typically use a stir plate when making my starter, but don't have a practical way to keep the starter at 50 degrees. In order to maintain that temp couldn't I just brew the starter in my temp controlled conical and pour my cooled down wort in with it once my starter has reached a good yeast cell population? I'm talking about a 5 gallon batch. I've brewed with a California common yeast lager before since it is more tolerant to higher fermenting temps, but this time I want to use a more classic lager yeast. Any recommendations for a SMASH pale German lager?

Ya know, based on my experience, they're just wrong.  Ferment your lager starter at room temp.  You're growing yeast, not making beer, and yeast grows better at warmer temps.  That's the only way I've ever made lager starters and I get great results.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2014, 05:20:39 PM »
I just bought More Beers temp controlled conical fermenter because I want to brew a classic German pale lager. I read the brewing classic lager article on the AHA site and it recommends fermenting your yeast starter at 50 degrees. I typically use a stir plate when making my starter, but don't have a practical way to keep the starter at 50 degrees. In order to maintain that temp couldn't I just brew the starter in my temp controlled conical and pour my cooled down wort in with it once my starter has reached a good yeast cell population? I'm talking about a 5 gallon batch. I've brewed with a California common yeast lager before since it is more tolerant to higher fermenting temps, but this time I want to use a more classic lager yeast. Any recommendations for a SMASH pale German lager?

Ya know, based on my experience, they're just wrong.  Ferment your lager starter at room temp.  You're growing yeast, not making beer, and yeast grows better at warmer temps.  That's the only way I've ever made lager starters and I get great results.

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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2014, 05:21:44 PM »
Thanks. Makes sense to me. Any suggestions on a good lager yeast?
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2014, 05:32:27 PM »
WLP-830 for German Pilsners.

WLP-833 for malty lagers.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2014, 05:51:29 PM »

Ya know, based on my experience, they're just wrong.  Ferment your lager starter at room temp.  You're growing yeast, not making beer, and yeast grows better at warmer temps.  That's the only way I've ever made lager starters and I get great results.

Let me add that you'll want to decant the spent wort from the starter, but that was implicit in Denny's response.

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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2014, 06:16:58 PM »

Thanks. Makes sense to me. Any suggestions on a good lager yeast?
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2014, 06:52:42 PM »
WLP-830 for German Pilsners.

WLP-833 for malty lagers.

Or if you're a Wyeast person, WY2206 for malty lagers and WY2124 for German pils
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2014, 09:46:52 PM »
Thanks. Makes sense to me. Any suggestions on a good lager yeast?

If ya want use Saflager 34/70 and skip the starter all together. that is if your gonna make a German pils. if maltier style this yeast will work well also but i like wlp 833 or wy2206

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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2014, 09:54:47 PM »
WLP-830 for German Pilsners.

WLP-833 for malty lagers.

Or if you're a Wyeast person, WY2206 for malty lagers and WY2124 for German pils

Yep, along with WY2487 (Ayinger), my favorites.  2124 is just great for several lagers IMO.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2014, 10:37:41 PM »
I'll chime in with WY2633 (Octoberfest lager blend). It's fantastic in O'fests (unsurprisingly), but it has become my house yeast for any malty lager,
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2014, 01:35:36 PM »
To add to this, I ferment my lager starters at room temp and crash and decant.  I just make sure it close (within a couple degrees) of the wort (pitch at 45F) so it doesn't shock the yeast when I pitch.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2014, 01:45:59 PM »
To add to this, I ferment my lager starters at room temp and crash and decant.  I just make sure it close (within a couple degrees) of the wort (pitch at 45F) so it doesn't shock the yeast when I pitch.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2014, 03:50:08 AM »
I've made a few lagers with Omega yeast Y-06 - I think it is pretty much the same as 2124.  It works great on German pils and I really like 2206 on maltier styles.  Finally there is 802 for Czech beers.
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Re: Lager yeast starter at 50 degrees
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2014, 12:48:14 PM »
I just bought More Beers temp controlled conical fermenter because I want to brew a classic German pale lager. I read the brewing classic lager article on the AHA site and it recommends fermenting your yeast starter at 50 degrees. I typically use a stir plate when making my starter, but don't have a practical way to keep the starter at 50 degrees. In order to maintain that temp couldn't I just brew the starter in my temp controlled conical and pour my cooled down wort in with it once my starter has reached a good yeast cell population? I'm talking about a 5 gallon batch. I've brewed with a California common yeast lager before since it is more tolerant to higher fermenting temps, but this time I want to use a more classic lager yeast. Any recommendations for a SMASH pale German lager?

I've always grown my lager starters at room temp and it works fine. I also ferment a bit quicker than usual (http://brulosophy.com/lager-method), having compared this to a more traditionally fermented lager, I can't say I'll be going back to the old way anytime soon. Belgian Pils + Saaz makes for a delicious SMaSH lager! If you make your starter big enough, you can just steal some yeast off of it for future use, that's what I do (http://brulosophy.com/yeast-harvesting). Cheers!