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Crisp Maris Otter
« on: December 09, 2014, 08:10:53 PM »
So I have some questions, go figure. I ordered a 55# sack of Crisp Maris otter(my first foray into Maris Otter) from my LHBS. I just picked it up and am confused. I see a lot of great comments on this forum about this malt and I want to make sure that I got the real deal. I ordered Crisp Maris Otter, the sack I just picked up says "Gleneagles Maris Otter" and has a batch info sticker on it that does reference CrispMalt.com for any questions. The sticker on the bag does have a batch number on it which I assume I could reference for malt analysis, but I cannot figure out where to go for that. I will attach a photo shortly.
When I visit crispmalt.com, I see no place to enter a batch number, but I can find a downloadable pdf of a "Typical Analysis and Product Description," will this be close enough?
This typical analysis is for Finest Maris Otter Ale malt, rather than the Extra Pale Maris Otter Malt that is also listed. If I did not specify, would I likely have been shipped the "Finest?"
This sack is going into a SMASH bitter, re-pitch into "The Queen's Diamonds" from Experimental Homebrewing, and also into Jamil's Evil Twin.
Another question, is all MO floor malted? What does floor malting ring to the table.
I know there are a lot of questions here, but anything anyone can tell me would help set my mind at ease. I have no fears of being "Hoodwinked " by my LHBS, just that maybe I did not order correctly, not knowing all the specifics
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2014, 08:18:04 PM »
Not all MO is floor malted. the standard line is that floor malting brings more complexity. I don't know if this is true but it makes sense to be that floor malting would produce a less perfectly consistent finished product and it's possible that the variety of starch granule modification in the less consistent product could produce greater flavor complexity in the finished beer.

I believe there is a 'low color' MO and that might be what you got. It's more in line with the 1.7-2.3 L you get with domestic pale malt rather than the 2-4L of 'normal' MO.

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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2014, 08:21:44 PM »
Thanks Jonathan, think I'm going to shoot an email off to the address on the sticker to see what they can tell me
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2014, 09:00:30 PM »
Gleneagles is Crisp's trade name for their floor malted pale ale malt using Maris Otter.

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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2014, 09:01:29 PM »
Gleneagles is Crisp's trade name for their floor malted pale ale malt using Maris Otter.
Thanks, that is great info, now I know. Thanks oginme!
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2014, 09:27:19 PM »
I thought Crisp MO is floor malted. I really like Crisp.

Glenneagles is a small maltings owned by Crisp in Scotland(?). The MO from there is said to be very flavorful. You scored Frank.
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2014, 09:55:58 PM »
Great, can't wait to try it out in my first AG bitter, Barleywine, and Evil Twin( loved the extract version of this one)


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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2014, 11:00:26 PM »
i use MO quite a bit. I switched to floor malted and really like the additional malt flavor from it. it can be 2-3Lovi more than reg MO, so consider it a more intense MO.
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2014, 11:08:08 PM »
Anyone know a site where I can plug this batch number in to get any available specifics?


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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2014, 11:12:31 PM »
Anyone know a site where I can plug this batch number in to get any available specifics?


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if the sack says glen eagles, it is indeed floor malted MO. glen eagles is the trade name for floor malted, vs. crsip made in silos.
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2014, 11:54:21 PM »
Anyone know a site where I can plug this batch number in to get any available specifics?


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if the sack says glen eagles, it is indeed floor malted MO. glen eagles is the trade name for floor malted, vs. crsip made in silos.

Crisp owns Gleneagles, it is in Scotland, and does floor maltings. Also pretty dark stuff at 5.2L.
http://www.certifiedfoods.com/glen.htm

Crisp is floor malted or done in Salidin boxes, not silos. BSG says they floor malt the MO. It might come down to which plant. 4.2L
http://www.certifiedfoods.com/maris.htm

www.crispmalt.co has plenty of pictures of floor maltings. One might have to contact them to find out for sure.
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2014, 11:58:57 PM »
Anyone know a site where I can plug this batch number in to get any available specifics?


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if the sack says glen eagles, it is indeed floor malted MO. glen eagles is the trade name for floor malted, vs. crsip made in silos.

Crisp owns Gleneagles, it is in Scotland, and does floor maltings. Also pretty dark stuff at 5.2L.
http://www.certifiedfoods.com/glen.htm

Crisp is floor malted or done in Salidin boxes, not silos. BSG says they floor malt the MO. It might come down to which plant. 4.2L
http://www.certifiedfoods.com/maris.htm

www.crispmalt.co has plenty of pictures of floor maltings. One might have to contact them to find out for sure.

interesting. this is what ive understood- perhaps its not accurate vs what you describe:

Crisp's Gleneagle® Maris Otter Malt is an heirloom varietal that is World renowned for its deep, rich flavor.  It is considered Heirloom because it is an old variety with a very low yield of 1.5-2 tons per acre.  Modern varietals now produce up to 4 tons per acre.  Why do farmers grow Maris Otter when new high-yield, disease resistant varietals are available? Because Craft Brewers around the World are willing to pay a premium for the complex, authentic pub flavor that Maris Otter provides.

Please note this is the distinguished Glen Eagles version of Crips Maris Otter. Crips produces two types of the Maris Otter malt. A regular version malted in modern silos and this exclusive Glen Eagles version of their Maris Otter that is floor malted by hand in the traditional way. This malt is obviously great for all English style Ales but is perfectly suited for any beer where you want a rich, bready malt flavor.

edit: i believe that the branding may be the point of confusion. from what i understand, when labeled Crisp or Crisp Finest, its not the floor malter variety and is lower lovi. when Labeled Crisp GlenEagles, its the floor malted version and indeed is 5+ lovi.
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2014, 12:07:27 AM »
I am jealous! i would love to try Heirloom variety. i really love a bitter i make them frequently 

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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2014, 12:09:33 AM »
I am jealous! i would love to try Heirloom variety. i really love a bitter i make them frequently

another fine floor malted MO-i use it and get it from Northern Brewer.

http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/warminster-floor-malted-maris-otter-malt.html
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Re: Crisp Maris Otter
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2014, 12:12:46 AM »
You are all making me so happy with this purchase! I was going to brew my bock this weekend and use the MO after the new year, but now I'm dying to put it to use. Now can I find a way to brew on sat and Sunday around the Clowns v Bungles game on Sunday, that is the question
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