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Founders Sells Minority Stake
« on: December 17, 2014, 02:24:45 PM »
They just announced a 30% stake goes to Mahou San Miguel.

Discuss, compare and contrast to 10 Barrel.

http://foundersbrewing.com/latest-news/
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2014, 02:49:52 PM »
I guess they are no longer "craft"  ;)

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2014, 02:58:41 PM »
Interesting in that none of their brands are major US brands. I can't find info about what other breweries they may be invested in - if any - though.
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2014, 03:03:00 PM »
Check Wikipedia. It has a short breakdown of a few acquisitions.

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2014, 04:36:40 PM »
I like it.  Pay back those relatives and in-laws who have helped get you started/kept you afloat with some retirement funds, open some distribution channels, and still keep the majority of the business and make beer the way you want to.

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2014, 04:57:57 PM »
I like it.  Pay back those relatives and in-laws who have helped get you started/kept you afloat with some retirement funds, open some distribution channels, and still keep the majority of the business and make beer the way you want to.

+1.  A nice influx of $$ while keeping control. Great brewery.
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2014, 05:59:46 PM »
Founder's is my favorite brewery and their All-day IPA is my goto. As long as it doesn't affect the quality or taste of their beer its pretty much a moot point for me.

I see this as totally different from the 10 Barrel topic and it doesn't bother me at all.
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2014, 06:00:22 PM »
I like it.  Pay back those relatives and in-laws who have helped get you started/kept you afloat with some retirement funds, open some distribution channels, and still keep the majority of the business and make beer the way you want to.

Absolutely, totally agree.
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 06:10:45 PM »
Founder's is my favorite brewery and their All-day IPA is my goto. As long as it doesn't affect the quality or taste of their beer its pretty much a moot point for me.

I see this as totally different from the 10 Barrel topic and it doesn't bother me at all.

So, what happens when InBev acquires San Miguel? Is Founder's still your favorite brewery?

The bigger breweries get, the more mergers are going to happen, the more breweries InBev is going to acquire.

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2014, 06:37:28 PM »
They just announced a 30% stake goes to Mahou San Miguel.

Discuss, compare and contrast to 10 Barrel.

http://foundersbrewing.com/latest-news/

great read. happy for them and keep the great beer coming.
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2014, 07:11:17 PM »

So, what happens when InBev acquires San Miguel? Is Founder's still your favorite brewery?

The bigger breweries get, the more mergers are going to happen, the more breweries InBev is going to acquire.

Yeah, good point.
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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2014, 07:38:30 PM »
Founder's is my favorite brewery and their All-day IPA is my goto. As long as it doesn't affect the quality or taste of their beer its pretty much a moot point for me.

I see this as totally different from the 10 Barrel topic and it doesn't bother me at all.

So, what happens when InBev acquires San Miguel? Is Founder's still your favorite brewery?

The bigger breweries get, the more mergers are going to happen, the more breweries InBev is going to acquire.

In this case, they'll still only own 30%, so I guess my answer would be yes, not because of who the investors are but because they make my favorite products. If the product quality stays the same, the investors could be nazi war criminals and it wouldn't bother me.

What does bother me about mergers and acquisitions like 10 Barrel is when the new company takes over and changes everything just for the sake of "making it their own."

There have been way too many instances where a huge company like in-bev has purchased a brewery, then shutdown the business, fired all the employees, sold off the equipment and real estate and just slapped the acquired brand on some mass-market product that has nothing to do with the original.

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2014, 10:23:35 PM »
I like it.  Pay back those relatives and in-laws who have helped get you started/kept you afloat with some retirement funds

but why wouldn't they get a note to do that?  loaning on craft beer is popular these days (a friend that runs a community bank virtually categorized it as rubber stamp underwriting, more signs of the bubble we've been discussing for years but that is another topic).

I just don't see, from founder's position, why they would sell a minority stake rather than get a note, especially since the publicity isn't the best.  they've proven themselves, and could probably take the note out via cashflow in a reasonable amount of time.

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2014, 10:28:45 PM »
I'm assuming this is all in conjunction with the news article I saw a week or so ago where Founder's is doing a 30 MILLION dollar expansion. 30 MILLION.

That's Million with an "M".

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Re: Founders Sells Minority Stake
« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2014, 10:29:55 PM »
Maybe it is to access the price point on consumables that big brother gets.  And in light of what Keith just posted, maybe on the hardware also.
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