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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 01:15:04 PM »
Sounds like anybody can contract brew and sell easily there.

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 01:31:13 PM »
Sounds like anybody can contract brew and sell easily there.

I was surprised that the laws didn't make them disclose the name of the brewery it was brewed in. In the states contract breweries must specifically state where the beer was brewed and bottled at.

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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 01:59:32 PM »
True, the name of the brewery does not need to be disclosed. But here's a reply from the chief of De Struise Brouwers: https://www.facebook.com/pages/De-Struise-Brouwers/58796459632?fref=nf

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« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2015, 02:43:35 AM »
Not sure what are the economics of it out there. In here contract brew = short time solution.

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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2015, 04:11:35 AM »
Sounds like anybody can contract brew and sell easily there.

I was surprised that the laws didn't make them disclose the name of the brewery it was brewed in. In the states contract breweries must specifically state where the beer was brewed and bottled at.
As a consumer, I want to know where its brewed. I'll still try it, but don't try to trick me. And BTW they lost me at Ayn Rand. Selfish Crybabies. Make good beer and say where its brewed and I'm happy to drink it. Don't cry "big governmemt" every time a common sense law is proposed.
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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2015, 04:15:50 AM »
Why does it matter? Unless I'm missing something, house brand and contract produced food doesn't need to be labeled with where it was made. What makes beer different?

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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2015, 12:58:39 PM »
If it doesn't matter than why fight labeling? Because they think more people will buy it if they think its made in house. So they want to be deceptive.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2015, 01:00:45 PM »
I do think beer is different because its something a lot of people do choose based on where its made.
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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2015, 01:29:55 PM »
Why does it matter? Unless I'm missing something, house brand and contract produced food doesn't need to be labeled with where it was made. What makes beer different?

It's a fair question though. And I can tell you that there is a contract "brewery" in the same city as my brewery is in and they are definitely a competing brewery. They take taps I want and vise versa. And while they are brewed in state via contract they are not brewed locally, but they bill themselves as a "local beer". This is clearly deceptive - because they are not a local beer.

We used to contract brew for a "brewpub" who never brewed a drop of their own beer. Most people would belly up to the bar and think they were drinking beer brewed on site. I guess it shouldn't matter but wouldn't you really like to know if the beer is brewed there or a mile down the road? I sure would.

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2015, 02:17:57 PM »
How would you know at a bar? The tap labels are tiny. Why are they not a local beer? The money that guy makes is spent locally, I'm sure he employs a few people locally. The money people spend on his beer is spent locally.

It's all pure snobbery. Change is happening and the old guard in Belgium doesn't want it. I'm not saying the old world breweries need to change, they just need to stop being crybabies.

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2015, 02:22:49 PM »
I do think beer is different because its something a lot of people do choose based on where its made.
Maybe, but how much does it really play into day to day beer drinkers.

Me: "I've never seen this, I'll ask for a taste or try a bottle."

Not me: Oh, this guy can't afford to build his own joint and didn't have the ability to write a witty kickstarter campaign. His beer must be crap."

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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2015, 02:32:06 PM »
Why does it matter? Unless I'm missing something, house brand and contract produced food doesn't need to be labeled with where it was made. What makes beer different?
Probably close to why food has nutritional information and ingredients on the label, not true for beer.
Beer is under TTB regulations, food is the FDA.
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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2015, 02:36:10 PM »

Why does it matter? Unless I'm missing something, house brand and contract produced food doesn't need to be labeled with where it was made. What makes beer different?
Probably close to why food has nutritional information and ingredients on the label, not true for beer.
Beer is under TTB regulations, food is the FDA.
But that doesn't answer why the labeling is needed. I don't care where Trader Joes has their orange chicken made, why should I car where they have their beer made.

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Re: Beer brewers vs beer "architects" in Belgium
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2015, 02:38:47 PM »

Why does it matter? Unless I'm missing something, house brand and contract produced food doesn't need to be labeled with where it was made. What makes beer different?
Probably close to why food has nutritional information and ingredients on the label, not true for beer.
Beer is under TTB regulations, food is the FDA.
But that doesn't answer why the labeling is needed. I don't care where Trader Joes has their orange chicken made, why should I car where they have their beer made.

Good question, the answer maybe something from a long time ago.
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