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blood orange saison
« on: January 07, 2015, 11:58:17 PM »
In a month or so the best fruit in the world will be at its peak: organic blood oranges from Sicily. Any suggestions to make the best damn blood orange saison in this and a massive amount of parallel universes?

I especially want to avoid the beer to taste like cheap soap, because that's what beer with orange peel can taste like if one is not careful.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2015, 12:06:39 AM »
I make fruit beers regularly for my wife. I say rack to secondary onto the juice, and when you keg add some zest ( carefully leaving the white pith behind) in a bag that you can pull when the flavor is where you want. Sample every day or two to monitor.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2015, 12:12:44 AM »
Yes, well, that's the basic procedure I also had in mind, except that I bottle my beer. But is that sufficient to avoid the cheap soap taste?
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2015, 12:13:46 AM »
what does cheap soap taste like to you?
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2015, 12:32:43 AM »
I've heard that citrus when fermented tastes like vomit unless you know some special trick.

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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2015, 12:48:24 AM »
I've mentioned the vomit thing a few times. Tasted it at a festival. Sadly, it was poured by a guy from my club. Maybe he used nasty store brand oj, but it was nasty.

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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2015, 12:53:10 AM »
I've heard that citrus when fermented tastes like vomit unless you know some special trick.

I've always heard that too. But I don't know, Major makes a grapefruit IPA with sections of the fruit in secondary and zest in keg. And Zymurgy had a Kumquat Wheat recipe that used halved kumquats in secondary IIRC. But the OP could always use zest only, except it sounds like he's had issues with the zest. Might be a good one to use a gallon of the batch to test out instead of the whole thing.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »
Maybe it was mercaptan. I don't even know how mercaptan forms. Light?

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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2015, 01:25:53 AM »
Maybe it was mercaptan. I don't even know how mercaptan forms. Light?

I wonder. There must be some mechanism that brings that stuff out sometimes. I know a guy that tried a citrus beer once and said something similar to you - I never tried it. I've used zest tons of times, which doesn't give issues obviously, but I've used halved tangerines in the secondary a couple times in witbier. The beers were good. Maybe it is light. It'd be nice to know what the trigger is.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 01:48:54 AM »
.....or maybe there's just a threshold for the amount of citrus juice you can use and be good. Past that, not good.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 08:05:22 AM »
what does cheap soap taste like to you?
Actually, it didn't really taste like soap, but rather like the artificial citrus flavor of cheap soap.
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 11:17:29 AM »
I've mentioned the vomit thing a few times. Tasted it at a festival. Sadly, it was poured by a guy from my club. Maybe he used nasty store brand oj, but it was nasty.

Sorry to be specific, but does the "vomit" refer to the smell/taste of gastric acid? That seems to consist mostly of hydrochloric acid? And that is HCl. Where would then the chlorine come from?
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 01:02:26 PM »
Well i think they mean its LIKE vomit, not IS vomit.

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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 02:08:38 PM »
I've mentioned the vomit thing a few times. Tasted it at a festival. Sadly, it was poured by a guy from my club. Maybe he used nasty store brand oj, but it was nasty.

Sorry to be specific, but does the "vomit" refer to the smell/taste of gastric acid? That seems to consist mostly of hydrochloric acid? And that is HCl. Where would then the chlorine come from?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butyric_acid

"Butyric acid is present in, and is the main distinctive smell of, human vomit"
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Re: blood orange saison
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 02:11:26 PM »
So what is the cause?