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« on: January 22, 2015, 05:33:35 PM »
i've grown fond of and perhaps comfortable with the 3 C's in my pale ale-bittering with centennial, finishing with mostly cascade and a little citra....about 48IBU in total.

Sierra uses magnum and perle to bitter, and cascade for finishing and 38IBU.

Curious about some other combinations you've used or like in pale ales you've had, and recommend trying.

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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 05:45:52 PM »
Ahtanum/Cascade 
Centennial/Azacca
Amarillo/Mandarina Bavaria
Lemon Drop/Cascade

These are the last 4 I've done, and loved them all.  I've backed off to using a cleaner bittering hop for APA like Warrior or Magnum. As you can see, I've been using Cascade, Centennial or Amarillo (ie., medium intensity hops) blended with other new 'medium' type hops. I've been saving the intense stuff for IPA. I'd brew any of these again.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 06:00:20 PM »
I use Warrior to bitter, unless I FWH, in which case it's been Simcoe, CTZ or Centennial lately.  For finishing, I've always loved the Simcoe/Amarillo combo.  Sometimes I'll add Citra and Centennial to those two as well.  Also the new fruity German hops are great for finishing, but I've never tried combining those with American hops.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 06:11:04 PM »
i've grown fond of and perhaps comfortable with the 3 C's in my pale ale-bittering with centennial, finishing with mostly cascade and a little citra....about 48IBU in total.

Sierra uses magnum and perle to bitter, and cascade for finishing and 38IBU.

Curious about some other combinations you've used or like in pale ales you've had, and recommend trying.

90.3% avangard pale ale malt
8.2%   weyermann carared
1.5%   melanoiden
WLP 090

OG 1.060
FG 1.012
IBU 48

I love Amirillo, Simcoe, Mosaic lately and I've been bittering with FWH CTZ or a hop shot

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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 06:16:10 PM »
i've grown fond of and perhaps comfortable with the 3 C's in my pale ale-bittering with centennial, finishing with mostly cascade and a little citra....about 48IBU in total.

Sierra uses magnum and perle to bitter, and cascade for finishing and 38IBU.

Curious about some other combinations you've used or like in pale ales you've had, and recommend trying.

90.3% avangard pale ale malt
8.2%   weyermann carared
1.5%   melanoiden
WLP 090

OG 1.060
FG 1.012
IBU 48

I love Amirillo, Simcoe, Mosaic lately and I've been bittering with FWH CTZ or a hop shot

been thinking about trying mosaic in something.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 06:20:24 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 06:28:54 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2015, 06:33:38 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?

It's fairly strong, but not Citra strong to me. It's piney too, though - I used it in a single hop pale ale and thought it worked and I don't like the 'fruit bomb' beers a lot.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 06:36:50 PM »
Be careful if you use an oily hop like Mosaic or Citra. They have the tendency to turn every beer into an IPA if you're not careful.

Amarillo is a great pale ale hop. I haven't used Meridian in an APA yet, but it has a great nectarine flavor that would work very well. Motueka is another nice one, but you might want to pair it with something fruity to enhance the citrus and play down the herbal character. The three of them together would actually be a really nice combo I bet.

+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?

It's fairly strong, but not Citra strong to me. It's piney too, though - I used it in a single hop pale ale and thought it worked and I don't like the 'fruit bomb' beers a lot.

You beat me to it. But even though Mosaic is less "fruit-bomby" than Citra, I find it to get overpowering a lot more easily. It could be because Citra is just straight-up mango, but Mosaic has more sticky/piny "IPA" flavor to it.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2015, 06:44:05 PM »
Be careful if you use an oily hop like Mosaic or Citra. They have the tendency to turn every beer into an IPA if you're not careful.

Amarillo is a great pale ale hop. I haven't used Meridian in an APA yet, but it has a great nectarine flavor that would work very well. Motueka is another nice one, but you might want to pair it with something fruity to enhance the citrus and play down the herbal character. The three of them together would actually be a really nice combo I bet.

+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?

It's fairly strong, but not Citra strong to me. It's piney too, though - I used it in a single hop pale ale and thought it worked and I don't like the 'fruit bomb' beers a lot.

You beat me to it. But even though Mosaic is less "fruit-bomby" than Citra, I find it to get overpowering a lot more easily. It could be because Citra is just straight-up mango, but Mosaic has more sticky/piny "IPA" flavor to it.

yeah I like the citra -.25-.5 oz at the end just for a little contribution. i had used an ounce a while back and it was overwhelming to me.

i start to get the jitters when someone describes a hop as piney....not one of my favorite smells or tastes.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2015, 06:44:24 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

Tom Schmidlin brewed a very nice Mosaic APA for Stan Heironymus's talk at the Seattle NHC. That used the Hop 2 It recipe from Russian River, which is how Vinnie sees what a new hop brings to the party. I have been using that to evaluate new hops such as Empire and Mandarina Bavaria.

You can fin the recipe in a slide at the end of Stans talk in 2012.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2015, 06:45:43 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

wondered about that. the description of being citra on steroids made me think it could become overpowering..especially all by itself in higher concentrations. it doesn't end up a passion fruit bomb?

It does not have the oil content that Citra does. It has a different character.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2015, 06:51:42 PM »

i start to get the jitters when someone describes a hop as piny....not one of my favorite smells or tastes.

I think the pine serves only to balance the fruitiness in Mosaic - it's not as piney (to me) as Simcoe. I think it's why it's one of the hops that can stand on its own. But Eric is right, it can get IPA-like if you use too much.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2015, 07:06:38 PM »
I use Brewer's Gold with a ton of different hops. When fresh, it is a phenomenal. For Mosaic, I really like to pair it with Nugget as a late addition, which is the only time I like Nugget late in the kettle.
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Re: pale ale hops
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2015, 07:11:11 PM »
+1 to Mosaic, great hop.  It actually works pretty well in a single hop pale ale.

Tom Schmidlin brewed a very nice Mosaic APA for Stan Heironymus's talk at the Seattle NHC. That used the Hop 2 It recipe from Russian River, which is how Vinnie sees what a new hop brings to the party. I have been using that to evaluate new hops such as Empire and Mandarina Bavaria.

You can fin the recipe in a slide at the end of Stans talk in 2012.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/resources/conference-seminars/



I remember reading that about the Mosaic beers there.  BTW, have you tried your Mandarina Bavaria beer yet ?. Very nice hop. It's another good medium intensity hop that's great for pale ale . Or a few other styles for that matter.
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