[Wort-H.O.G.]

Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

I really like the Moenschof. Kostriker is ok.

Koestritzer was always on at our favorite Pizza place in Wiesbaden, and was a change up from the usual Koenig Pils.

Here's that glass set I was telling you about Jeff.


And another favorite das schwarze from schwaben brau.

[hopfenundmalz]

Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

I really like the Moenschof. Kostriker is ok.

Koestritzer was always on at our favorite Pizza place in Wiesbaden, and was a change up from the usual Koenig Pils.

Oh man Wiesbaden! I lived about 15 minutes from there and frequented often. Great memories.


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The Koestritzer glass, had many a beer out of those.

Where were you at in the area?

I lived on the east side of Wiesbaden, worked in Ruesselsheim.

[Wort-H.O.G.]

Yes I know the area. I live in bad kreuznach....while not deployed that is.


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[majorvices]

I've got that Kostriker glass too. Unfortunately I think it has a chip in the rim.

[Wort-H.O.G.]

I've got that Kostriker glass too. Unfortunately I think it has a chip in the rim.

Bummer. I bought 12 of them in Germany, so hopefully have at least 6 when I'm 90.

[jeffy]

I've got that Kostriker glass too. Unfortunately I think it has a chip in the rim.

Mine has a chip at the base.

[quattlebaum]

Koestritzer and Moenschof come to mind from my time in Germany.

Devils Backbone makes a very good one, don't know if you can find it, I can't.

Devils backbone clone i just did from his talk at NHC and it's tasty except for to much mouthfeel from melanoidin. Will drop to lighter munich (11 to 15L) and much less melanoidin if at all. The Bohemian brewery in salt lake makes a tasty one (Cherny Bock)

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Schwartz
Brewer: Quattlebaum
Asst Brewer:
Style: Schwarzbier (Black Beer)
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 5.66 gal
Post Boil Volume: 4.16 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 3.50 gal   
Bottling Volume: 3.25 gal
Estimated OG: 1.050 SG
Estimated Color: 28.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 24.2 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 83.4 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
4 lbs 14.8 oz         Pilsner (Betz) (1.7 SRM)                 Grain         1        75.9 %       
8.3 oz                Blackprinz  (Briess) (500.0 SRM)         Grain         2        8.0 %         
6.0 oz                Munich 20L (Briess) (20.0 SRM)           Grain         3        5.8 %         
5.9 oz                Melanoidin (Weyermann) (30.0 SRM)        Grain         4        5.7 %         
4.8 oz                Carared (20.0 SRM)                       Grain         5        4.6 %         
0.63 oz               Tradition [6.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min       Hop           6        22.1 IBUs     
0.20 oz               Tettnang [3.80 %] - Boil 15.0 min        Hop           7        2.0 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Saflager Lager (DCL/Fermentis #W-34/70)  Yeast         8        -             


Mash Schedule: (208) Single Infusion, Light Body, No Mash Out, Fly
Total Grain Weight: 6 lbs 7.8 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 3.00 gal of water at 159.3 F        148.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Fly sparge with 3.44 gal water at 168.0 F
Notes:
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less melanoidin and lighter munich

Thanks for that, the beer at the talk was great. It is on the list to brew soon. Could yeast differences be part of what you say?

I really question the yeast to be the issue. I think it could be that I used 20L munich instead od 15L that he suggest. I also used blackprinz instead of  Carafa but not much different.  I was just not a fan of that much melanoidin with the combo of munich.

[majorvices]

IMO the blac prinz is fine. It makes a nice carafa substitution though I think I may prefer the midnight wheat, which is a little less flavor forward.

I definitely think you can skip the Melanoidin. I never use that malt any more. If I want more Munich flavor I add more Munich. Not sure I am a fan of the Melanoidin flavor.

Personally, I think the Munich percentage can be a bit higher.

[Iliff Ave]

Had my first Kostriker last night. I enjoyed it and it was good to finally have an authentic German example. It was very good and I was surprised at how light and drinkable it was. I was excited to see how mine stacked up in a side by side.

The main differences that I could find is that mine is slightly sweeter, more chocolatey, and just more smooth all around. The colors are pretty much identical. Mine is almost 1% higher in ABV which I think just gives it more oomph. It appears that mine is not quite as dry and crisp as it should be but I still think it turned out great especially for being my first lager. I have 9 oz in caramunich in there which could probably be removed or come down. I should maybe mash lower to drop the FG a bit as well. The 7 oz of midnight wheat seems to be appropriate.

Now I need to move on to some other good authentic German beers which has become my thing lately. I am thinking finding a good pils is in order... Sorry this thread should probably be in commercial beer reviews. I will start my German Pils thread in there

[JT]

Had my first Kostriker last night. I enjoyed it and it was good to finally have an authentic German example. It was very good and I was surprised at how light and drinkable it was. I was excited to see how mine stacked up in a side by side.

The main differences that I could find is that mine is slightly sweeter, more chocolatey, and just more smooth all around. The colors are pretty much identical. Mine is almost 1% higher in ABV which I think just gives it more oomph. It appears that mine is not quite as dry and crisp as it should be but I still think it turned out great especially for being my first lager. I have 9 oz in caramunich in there which could probably be removed or come down. I should maybe mash lower to drop the FG a bit as well. The 7 oz of midnight wheat seems to be appropriate.

Now I need to move on to some other good authentic German beers which has become my thing lately. I am thinking finding a good pils is in order... Sorry this thread should probably be in commercial beer reviews. I will start my German Pils thread in there

If you haven't had it pick up Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel.  You can thank me later. 

[HoosierBrew]

If you haven't had it pick up Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel.  You can thank me later. 

+1.  I haven't had that in a quite a while. I remember it being really tasty.

[pinnah]

I picked up a sixer of the Xingu based on the recommendations here...WOW I thought it was terrible! 
Had a tart cidery/champange? taste to it.  Maybe I got a really old sample?  Nasty. 
The remainders are going to be hanging out in the fridge for a while until some unsuspecting swill drinker comes over.

goshman, did you happen to try Squatters Black Forest Schwarzbier?  You should be able to source it over there...curious what you think of it.  Has won some medals.

[Joe Sr.]

Tart and cidery is not how it should taste.

Sounds like something is very wrong it.

My recollection is malty, smooth, hops are light but present.  My wife loves it, and she doesn't like tart and cidery.

[Iliff Ave]

I picked up a sixer of the Xingu based on the recommendations here...WOW I thought it was terrible! 
Had a tart cidery/champange? taste to it.  Maybe I got a really old sample?  Nasty. 
The remainders are going to be hanging out in the fridge for a while until some unsuspecting swill drinker comes over.

goshman, did you happen to try Squatters Black Forest Schwarzbier?  You should be able to source it over there...curious what you think of it.  Has won some medals.

I haven't seen this yet however I haven't looked hard. I think I have seen some Squatters at the same place where I found the Kostriker...maybe a double IPA? I will look for it. I picked up a sixer of Wynkoop B3K (another schwarzbier) last week which used to be a favorite of mine and I think won some medals years ago. It had been some time since I had it and it was not very good. I definitely preferred mine over that.

[Iliff Ave]

If you haven't had it pick up Ayinger Altbairisch Dunkel.  You can thank me later. 

+1.  I haven't had that in a quite a while. I remember it being really tasty.

My wife really likes a dunkel brewed here locally so I have tried a couple of examples lately. I will give it a go. Thanks! I have found myself moving away from hoppy, American craft beer which I never thought would happen. The German in me must be coming out as I get older