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Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« on: January 27, 2015, 05:26:57 AM »
I am considering a Chinook only Pliny-esque recipe.

13 # 2-row, 1 # Carapils, 6 oz. Crystal 60, and 1 # Corn Sugar.

2 oz. Chinook @ 90 min
1 oz. Chinook @ 45 min
1 oz. Chinook @ 30 min
2 oz. Chinook @ flameout
1.5 oz. Chinook 14 day dry hop
1.5 oz. Chinook 7 dry hop
* may add more dry hop ...

Fermented with WLP001.

Expecting at least 1.075 OG and < 1.013 FG.

The above is an estimate based on More Beer's Pliny the Elder recipe. Mot quite the same hop charge but my Chinook is 14% AA.

Looking for honest feedback on what this might taste like. I suspect it may be a super charged Arrogant Bastard like taste with all of the Chinook.

Your thoughts?

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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2015, 04:28:59 PM »
I wouldn't call it Pliny-esque unless you want to have to explain it constantly. It's a Chinook DIPA. I'd move the 30 min and 45 min additions to later in the boil and/or dry hop. There's no sense in boiling flavor additions that long, or adding bittering additions that late, IMHO. A week is plenty of time for dry hopping, two weeks is just wasted time. The majority of your extraction is going to be in the first couple days anyway.
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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 05:18:34 PM »
Would you brew this or .. ?

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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 05:45:33 PM »
Would you brew this or .. ?

I agree with Sean to just go with 'Chinook DIPA' as opposed to 'Pliny-esque'.  I say go for it.  It'll be piney and intense, but I love Chinook and if you've had Arrogant Bastard you've had Chinook.  For IIPA I think you need more dry hops though - I use 6+ oz. Good luck.
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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 09:10:05 PM »
Does the base recipe look sound? It works well with Pliny.

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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2015, 09:17:21 PM »
I would stay away from a Chinook only brew. Chinook has a very high cohumulone level which can impart a very unpleasant bitterness. Citra and Columbus hops have significantly lower cohumulone levels with similar alpha levels and higher hop oil levels (flavor and aroma)

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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 10:52:38 PM »
I would stay away from a Chinook only brew. Chinook has a very high cohumulone level which can impart a very unpleasant bitterness. Citra and Columbus hops have significantly lower cohumulone levels with similar alpha levels and higher hop oil levels (flavor and aroma)

I've bittered many IPAs with Chinook and done well in comps with a few.  And Brewing Network's 'Can You Brew It' brews and re-brews of Arrogant Bastard all used Chinook all the way through - so Jamil and Tasty are pretty confident that it's an all-Chinook beer.  Chinook is definitely an assertive hop, but AB is evidence that it can work pretty well.
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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2015, 11:00:42 PM »
I was leaning towards the Pliny base w/Arrogant Bastard hopping + dry hop.

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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 11:02:35 PM »
I would stay away from a Chinook only brew. Chinook has a very high cohumulone level which can impart a very unpleasant bitterness. Citra and Columbus hops have significantly lower cohumulone levels with similar alpha levels and higher hop oil levels (flavor and aroma)
There have been some studies done that say that the original paper that said that was flawed. Cohumulone is more soluble, and you can get up to 50 more IBUs using a high cohumulone hop. More IBUs = harsher when it is to be the same. The original paper didn't have a lab analysis of IBUs. Let the flames commence!
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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2015, 11:04:14 PM »
Obviously you've had enough AB to know what Chinook is like. I say do it and enjoy.
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Re: Chinook Only Pliny-Esque Recipe?
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 11:06:07 PM »
I would stay away from a Chinook only brew. Chinook has a very high cohumulone level which can impart a very unpleasant bitterness. Citra and Columbus hops have significantly lower cohumulone levels with similar alpha levels and higher hop oil levels (flavor and aroma)
There have been some studies done that say that the original paper that said that was flawed. Cohumulone is more soluble, and you can get up to 50 more IBUs using a high cohumulone hop. More IBUs = harsher when it is to be the same. The original paper didn't have a lab analysis of IBUs. Let the flames commence!

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