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Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« on: January 30, 2015, 03:46:19 PM »
This goes back to a HBD discussion that Jeff Renner was involved in 12-14 years ago. The recipe is pretty straight forward. It makes a beer that tastes "hoppy", not like citrus or pine. It is also bracingly bitter.

I have been upping the dry hops of late. The last version used BRY-97, but that is not carbed up yet, so I can't give an honest evaluation yet. The sip I had when it went into the keg made me say "oaky". The beer never touched wood, and I can only attribute the oaky flavor to the Bullion hops.

This recipe made a strong beer, I have been targeting more in the 1.070 range or a little less. I have also used British C-60 in the last batch.

I tell people it was made with 6-row, flaked corn, Crystal malt, Bullion and Cluster hops, all considered to be inferior in some ways. Makes a great beer, though.

Ballantine IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (Gal):        10.50    Wort Size (Gal):   10.50
Total Grain (Lbs):       29.50
Anticipated OG:          1.079    Plato:             19.04
Anticipated SRM:           9.8
Anticipated IBU:          69.3
Brewhouse Efficiency:       78 %
Wort Boil Time:             90    Minutes

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
% Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used:   Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Tinseth
Tinseth Concentration Factor: 1.00


Grain/Extract/Sugar

   %     Amount     Name                          Origin        Potential SRM
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 74.6    22.00 lbs. Pale Malt(6-row)              America        1.035      2
 20.3     6.00 lbs. Flaked Corn (Maize)           America        1.040      1
  5.1     1.50 lbs. Crystal 80L                                  1.033     80

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

   Amount     Name                              Form    Alpha  IBU  Boil Time
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  2.00 oz.    Cluster                           Whole    8.00  21.8  90 min.
  2.00 oz.    Bullion                           Pellet   5.30  13.5  60 min.
  2.00 oz.    Cluster                           Whole    8.00  15.6  30 min.
  2.50 oz.    Bullion                           Pellet   5.30  12.9  30 min.
  2.25 oz.    Bullion                           Pellet   5.30   5.5  10 min.
  3.00 oz.    Goldings - E.K.                   Pellet   7.20   0.0  0 min.
  6.00 oz.    Brewer's Gold                     Whole    7.00   0.0  Dry Hop


Yeast
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WYeast 1056 Amercan Ale/Chico

Water

Use a pale ale profile, get the sulfate up to 250-300 ppm.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2015, 04:53:01 PM »
Thanks for posting this, Jeff. I think I am going to make this for my next brew. One question for you. I have never used Bullion, and therefore never have it on hand. I've heard that it is similar to Brewer's Gold. Do you find them comparable, or will this be a completely different brew if I just use Brewer's Gold?
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2015, 05:14:53 PM »
Thanks for posting this, Jeff. I think I am going to make this for my next brew. One question for you. I have never used Bullion, and therefore never have it on hand. I've heard that it is similar to Brewer's Gold. Do you find them comparable, or will this be a completely different brew if I just use Brewer's Gold?

I think they are similar enough to substitute. They are sisters from an early British breeding program.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2015, 05:16:17 PM »
One of my friends in the AABG club said this looks like a CAP with some crystal malt, add Bullion hops, and the Chico ale yeast.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2015, 05:20:11 PM »
One of my friends in the AABG club said this looks like a CAP with some crystal malt, add Bullion hops, and the Chico ale yeast.

I was thinking that as well. I think I may split it, and pitch half with 833.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2015, 08:15:27 PM »
Thanks Jeff. Will be trying this out eventually
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2015, 08:43:17 PM »
Thanks Jeff. Will be trying this out eventually
Just tell everyone it is old school!
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2015, 08:21:09 PM »
after alot of research years ago, this is what I found:
Echoes of Ballantine
10 Gallon / All-Grain
Grist: Mash 60 minutes @ 152F
18 lbs British pale
1 lb British crystal 55L
1 lb Carafoam
3 lbs Flaked maize/corn
1 lb Flaked barley
90 minute hops:
2 oz Cluster (AA% 6.5-7.0)
60 minute hops:
2 oz Brewer's Gold (AA% 6.5-7.0)
30 minute hops:
2 oz Brewer's Gold (AA% 6.5-7.0)
15 minute hops:
1 oz East Kent Golding (AA% 4.0-5.0)
End of boil/Flameout hops:
1 oz East Kent Golding (AA% 4.0-5.0)
Water modified to Burton profile.
Wyeast # 1056

I know its nothing close to the original but boy is it good. I wish I could find some old timer who actually drank the original and remembers what it tastes like to get some feedback. Either way... this is one of my most brewed recipes. I actually have it on tap right now.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2015, 08:44:34 PM »
There was a comment in the Steele IPA book that there were many recipes for this beer over the years. That looks like it makes a tasty ale and the cluster and brewers gold will be much like Bullion and cluster in the one I posted, which I have been making about once a year.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 05:38:05 PM »
Ballantine IPA was a 6-row based beer.  Imported malt is going to give the beer a different malt profile.

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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2015, 05:36:02 PM »
Ballantine IPA was a 6-row based beer.  Imported malt is going to give the beer a different malt profile.

Not in my experience...it all depends how you treat it.
in the 30+ years I've been brewing a BIPA clone, I've freely substituted the 6 Row with  a variety of imported pale ale malts depending upon what was available to me.   Any differences have been very subtle (if noticeable at all).  Around 20 years ago I even started adding in a bit of imported Munich malt as well;  it actually wasn't until I did so that I finally hit upon the taste I was looking for, remembering the boatloads of the original Newark brewed Bally IPA I was consuming in my youth  (even though it's fairly certain that the original never used any Munich malt, in my setup and my procedures it proved to be the missing link in the taste). 
Clusters and Bullion (or Brewer's Gold) are, of course,  definite musts in recreating the original.  The recent revival of the product, while quite good, fails somewhat  in the 'hop character' department by using different varieties, some of which introduce citrus notes that shouldn't be there.

Also...if you want to get closer to the yeast used in the original, don't use 1056, US04, or any of the variants of that strain:  instead, use Bry97 or ECY "Old Newark Ale".
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2015, 10:11:21 PM »
Also...if you want to get closer to the yeast used in the original, don't use 1056, US04, or any of the variants of that strain:  instead, use Bry97 or ECY "Old Newark Ale".

I have been saying that for quite some time.  BRY 96 (a.k.a. "Chico," Wy1056, WLP001, US-05) is the Ballantine "beer" strain from the old Schalk Brothers brewery.   BRY 97 is the Ballantine "ale" strain from the big ale brewery.

The Ballantine strains are held openly in the USDA ARS NRRL Collection.

NRRL Y-7407 (a.k.a. Siebel BRY 96)
  Accession numbers in other collections: Lange 2
  Isolated from (substrate): BR, Beer pitching yeast
  Substrate location: Ballantine Brewery, New Jersey, USA
  Comments: ID from 26S renal partial sequences.
 
NRRL Y-7408 (a.k.a. Siebel BRY 97)
  Accession numbers in other collections: Lange 4
  Isolated from (substrate): BR, Ale pitching yeast
  Comments: ID from 26S rDNA partial sequences
 
This photo should be a dead giveaway that BRY 96 (a.k.a. "Chico") was not used at the ale brewery:



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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2015, 10:38:40 PM »
There's The Professor! Long time, no speak! I have been dying to taste the new Ballantine they released but its only back East from what I understand. Haven't been able to find it anywhere in the PHX area.

Would you mind posting your recipe that uses Munich malt? I'd like to try another variation.

I've had to change up the hops in the past due to availability and have to admit, the recipe I posted is by far the best in my opinion. I'm always up for trying different variations though. I think I'll give Hopfen's receipe a try too.
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2015, 11:01:50 PM »
There's The Professor! Long time, no speak! I have been dying to taste the new Ballantine they released but its only back East from what I understand. Haven't been able to find it anywhere in the PHX area.

Would you mind posting your recipe that uses Munich malt? I'd like to try another variation.

I've had to change up the hops in the past due to availability and have to admit, the recipe I posted is by far the best in my opinion. I'm always up for trying different variations though. I think I'll give Hopfen's receipe a try too.

As I said, my last iteration used BRY-97. Should be carbed up and ready to give a critical taste soon. I will post that. I am also thinking of torpedoing one keg with a healthy dose of Brewers Gold in the hop rocket. Use about four ounces and transfer back and forth between purged kegs several times. Brewers Gold because I only have Bullion in pellets, though I might add Bullion pellets in a bag to the other keg for comparison.

I am another that would like to see the Professor's Ballantine IPA recipe. Yes, please!
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Re: Ballantine IPA Clone Recipe
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2015, 02:59:45 PM »
+ another on seeing the recipe.  It would be great to have a recipe from someone who has an idea of what the original tasted like, and from what I have read, the Professor has done a lot of research.   I have brewed the clone recipe from BYO and Im not sure how accurate it was.  I have done batches using 1056 and ECY old Newark ale and I really preferred ECY, which may become a regular for me. I have also brewed variations of it using Golden Promise and Munich, which I really liked too. Not sure how close any of them are to the original though.
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