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Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« on: February 04, 2015, 06:11:22 AM »
Hey Guys first Batch of hard cider,  and failure. Tastes like apple wine. I started using very good directions and fermented with champagne Yeast two weeks. Siphon batch into another sanitary carboy, Then put the airlock back on and let it ferment for another two weeks. The fermentation process took place in my hallway closet close to the thermostat where the thermostat read 70°.behold one month after fermenting I have apple Wine. please help is there any way to revive this cider or should I just toss it out, and also any suggestions on what went wrong?

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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2015, 12:38:33 PM »
Cider won't taste like apple juice any more than wine tastes like grape juice or beer tests like wort. It's a result of removing all of the sugars. If you want it to taste more appley, you'll need to back sweeten it.
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2015, 12:43:44 PM »
just curious- describe the characteristics a little more if you can. taking apple juice and fermenting into cider is somewhat like taking grape juice and fermenting it to make wine.

are you saying its really dry and tart like a dry white may be? depending on the juice used and yeast used, you may have or not have much apple character.

EDIT: i just used cote des blancs for the first time, and after several racks and cold crash with gelatin, i halted fermentation around 1.008 and there is a ton of apple falvour.

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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2015, 12:48:50 PM »
Champagne yeast ferments all the sugars down to nothing.  Once you are certain the fermentation is complete then you can backsweeten by adding sugar to hit a specific gravity around 1.005 to 1.010 or whatever sweetness level you like, plus add sorbate and sulfite to keep the yeast under control.  These chemicals do not kill the yeast but will prevent them from exploding your bottles.
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2015, 12:49:15 PM »
+1.  A cider fermented dry is not 'juice-like' whatsoever.  I backsweeten all of mine at least a little bit.
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2015, 12:58:51 PM »
help...drink it?  8)

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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 01:02:07 PM »
While I enjoy a really good bone dry champagne because it can still be very aromatic and have great taste, I think Apple juice fermented bone dry will be very blah.


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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 01:12:01 PM »
While I enjoy a really good bone dry champagne because it can still be very aromatic and have great taste, I think Apple juice fermented bone dry will be very blah.


assuming OP used some bland store-bought juice, sure, but to truly help we need to know what their goal was anyway.  I think it'll be clear to them from the responses that nothing necessarily "went wrong" but what kind of product were they hoping to produce/hoping to turn this into now?

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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2015, 02:41:37 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2015, 02:49:54 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

I sulfate and sorbate a couple days before kegging to stabilize and then use apple juice concentrate and malic acid to adjust the sweetness and acidity to where I want. I pour a pint of the dry cider and add the acid and concentrate until it's just right, and then scale those additions up to 5 gallons.
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2015, 02:50:21 PM »
Apple juice concentrate does a really fantastic job as a back sweetening agent.
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2015, 02:55:13 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

I sulfate and sorbate a couple days before kegging to stabilize and then use apple juice concentrate and malic acid to adjust the sweetness and acidity to where I want. I pour a pint of the dry cider and add the acid and concentrate until it's just right, and then scale those additions up to 5 gallons.

sulfites not sulfates right?
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2015, 02:56:19 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

I sulfate and sorbate a couple days before kegging to stabilize and then use apple juice concentrate and malic acid to adjust the sweetness and acidity to where I want. I pour a pint of the dry cider and add the acid and concentrate until it's just right, and then scale those additions up to 5 gallons.

sulfites not sulfates right?

Yep.  Must need more coffee. No gypsum in cider for me  ;)
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2015, 02:57:24 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

I sulfate and sorbate a couple days before kegging to stabilize and then use apple juice concentrate and malic acid to adjust the sweetness and acidity to where I want. I pour a pint of the dry cider and add the acid and concentrate until it's just right, and then scale those additions up to 5 gallons.

sulfites not sulfates right?

Yep.  Must need more coffee. No gypsum in cider for me  ;)

haha...yeah that would suck
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Re: Hard Cider Taste Like Wine! Help
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2015, 02:59:01 PM »
The goal was to create a dryer more crisp cider such a strong bow or Stella which the clarity was there however the flavor was not. I used the blend of apples with the Macintosh crabapple and Fuji apples juiced it myself and pasteurized it at about 120° versus using Camden tablets. What would you guys recommend for back sweetening besides just regular sugar?

I sulfate and sorbate a couple days before kegging to stabilize and then use apple juice concentrate and malic acid to adjust the sweetness and acidity to where I want. I pour a pint of the dry cider and add the acid and concentrate until it's just right, and then scale those additions up to 5 gallons.

sulfites not sulfates right?

Yep.  Must need more coffee. No gypsum in cider for me  ;)

haha...yeah that would suck

Yeah, it can be dry enough as is .   :D
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