If you can ask around at a local, you may find a great deal. My Avangard pils was $0.72/lb after tax, picked up locally. I also picked up Rahr 2 row at a different shop for $0.86/lb. Like Ken, I am sitting on partial sacks of Weyerman Munich I&II, Avangard Pils, Rahr 2 Row, and Crisp Maris Otter ($1.02/lb) I am very happy with these prices, but with all of them, I had to pre-pay/pre-order from the locals, just forced me to plan a little farther out than I usualy do, not a bad thing at all. Shop around locally, find an LHBS that you like and want to support. If no LHBS, and I think I remember you saying that before, wait for great sales+free/cheap shipping from online retailers. i also use the 50&60# vittles vaults, just find a place where you can store them and measure out from there, because they are oddly shaped and tough to move around when they have 50# of grin in them. Good luck