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What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« on: March 02, 2015, 08:42:57 AM »
Irish ales seem pretty simple but I've seen several recipes that have different ingredients to make them red. What is the key to a real nice red color? And a good taste?

Who has a great Irish ale recipe?
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2015, 09:05:22 AM »
Irish ales seem pretty simple but I've seen several recipes that have different ingredients to make them red. What is the key to a real nice red color? And a good taste?

Who has a great Irish ale recipe?

If I'm not mistaking the key ingredient for the red color is roasted barley. Maybe cold-steep it to have minimal roastedness. But I know people that use red beet juice...

And this is a nice recipe, though not true to style: http://www.themadfermentationist.com/2011/04/india-red-ale-recipe.html
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 10:07:32 AM »
Amber malt makes for a really nice red color too. Taste is quite pronounce though, so perhaps not ideal for IRA.
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2015, 11:59:37 AM »
I dug up a picture of my last Irish Red, which I made with 100% Best Malz Red X at an OG about 1.050. I pitched Wyeaat 1084 for the Irishness

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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2015, 10:20:52 PM »
Irish ales seem pretty simple but I've seen several recipes that have different ingredients to make them red. What is the key to a real nice red color? And a good taste?

Who has a great Irish ale recipe?

I haven't tried one in a while but the recipe I was thinking about trying is 85% Marris Otter, 10.5 % C-20, 2.5% dehusked Carafe III , 2% Acid Malt.

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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 08:12:56 PM »
https://www.dropbox.com/s/s13vah73qh8szw5/IMG_20150303_205738.jpg?dl=0

Drinking an Irish red ale from the Porterhouse Brewing Co. Not really very red, rather amber. Taste is very caramel, rather thin. Not too bad for one glass, but I wouldn't want to have to drink gallons of this.

Ingredients: Pale, Crystal, Wheat and Chocolate Malts; Galena, Nugget and East Kent Golding hops.
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 09:13:02 PM »
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Who has a great Irish ale recipe?

I have brewed this several times and love it.  Disclaimer: I am partial to 6-row, corn, and Clusters.

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It's about time to think about brewing a beer for a St. Paddy's Day party. How about something different from the usual stout or green beer, something with an American touch? I've made an Irish-American ale that I figure is similar to what was served in Irish neighborhood taverns in the Northeast 100 years ago, although I have no proof. Maybe like McSorley's? It's sort of a red ale with corn, flaked barley, medium crystal and a touch of chocolate. It's a little stronger than a British session beer, a little less than typical US beers (due to higher FG), and certainly less strong than the authentic ales of a century ago, but they didn't have to drive home then. This is popular with Killian's drinkers as well as real ale fans as it has enough interest to hold them. Resist the temptation to up the bitterness as it is inappropriate in this style.

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5.25 gallons @ 1.044
5.5 lbs 6-row (US 2-row should work, too)
1.75 lbs flaked maize (this is an American brew!)
0.75 lbs flaked barley
0.5 lbs crystal 30L
2 oz. chocolate (this gives dark amber and nice flavor, use 1 oz. if you want red)
This time I mashed 154°F 60 minutes. The first time, I did a 40/60/70C mash (30 minutes at each step) adding the corn at 60C the first time . The 40C rest may have helped break down beta-glucans in the barley, and passing from 40 to 60 over 30 minutes or so effectively gave me a protein rest, which may have made the beer clearer. Irish moss might not hurt. However, this brew has cleared nicely.
Bittering hops - Cluster (I used 3/4 oz for 19 IBU) (any neutral bittering hops will work)

Finishing hops - Golding (Domestic would be fine) (I used 1/2 oz for 15 min. for 4 IBU and another 1/2 oz at knockout) (FWH might be nice here) Target 23 IBU

Irish Ale yeast YeastLab A05 (although I used NCYC1332 this time)

OG 1.044
FG 1.015

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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 12:45:37 AM »

I dug up a picture of my last Irish Red, which I made with 100% Best Malz Red X at an OG about 1.050. I pitched Wyeaat 1084 for the Irishness
I would vote for red x too
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What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2015, 02:09:11 AM »
Many of you will recognize this recipe but it works.  Best Irish Ale I've made and a real crowd pleaser.  In addition to a base of maris otter: 4oz C-40, 4oz C-120, 4oz roasted barley.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2015, 12:24:54 AM by bboy9000 »
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2015, 08:32:35 AM »
How about melanoiden malt for some color and maltiness.
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2015, 08:38:45 AM »
Is melanoiden malt like crystal or roasted malts with little fermentability? What would a good percentage be for an Irish ale?  5% max?
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2015, 09:06:09 AM »
Is melanoiden malt like crystal or roasted malts with little fermentability? What would a good percentage be for an Irish ale?  5% max?

it just wont give you what you're loooking for IMO (nice Red). as suggested, red x probably your best bet.
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2015, 12:45:07 PM »
I always used an oz or two of roasted barley to make an amber colored beer look more red. But I've never used Red X. Want to soon.
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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2015, 09:16:42 PM »
I always used an oz or two of roasted barley to make an amber colored beer look more red. But I've never used Red X. Want to soon.
I have plans for a 100% Red X sour as soon as it warms up around here. Red X to about 1.055, lacto for a week at 98.6º and finished with Brett L. Dry hopped with something interesting like Mosaic and Simcoe. I'm stoked for the new style guide, which will really open up the American sours.

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Re: What's the key to a real nice red coloring in an Irish ale.?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2015, 09:48:14 PM »
This one is a winner every time!
Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 14.14 gal
Post Boil Volume: 12.48 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 12.00 gal   
Bottling Volume: 12.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.054 SG
Estimated Color: 14.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 25.9 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 80.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt               Name                                                 Type          #        %/IBU         
13 lbs 8.0 oz   Pale Malt (2 Row) UK (2.5 SRM)              Grain         1        62.8 %       
6 lbs              Munich I (Weyermann) (7.1 SRM)            Grain         2        27.9 %       
1 lbs              Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM)   Grain         3        4.7 %         
12.0 oz           Carared (Weyermann) (19.0 SRM)           Grain         4        3.5 %         
4.0 oz            Carafa Special II (Weyermann) (430.0 SRM Grain       5        1.2 %         
29.00 g          Goldings, East Kent [7.00 %] - Boil 60.0     Hop         6        11.8 IBUs     
16.00 g          Target [8.60 %] - Boil 60.0 min                Hop          7        8.0 IBUs     
6.00 g            Calcium Chloride (Boil 60.0 mins)             Water Agent   8        -             
3.00 g            Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Boil 60.0 mins Water Agent    9        -             
0.26 tsp          Super Moss (Boil 20.0 mins)                    Fining        10       -             
18.00 g          Goldings, East Kent [7.00 %] - Boil 20.0     Hop           11       4.4 IBUs     
28.35 g          Fuggles [5.30 %] - Boil 5.0 min                 Hop           12       1.7 IBUs     
1.0 pkg          Irish Ale (Wyeast Labs #1084) [125.05 ml  Yeast         13       -             


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