Membership questions? Log in issues? Email info@brewersassociation.org

Author Topic: Pinic tap hose length?  (Read 6144 times)

Offline Philbrew

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
Pinic tap hose length?
« on: March 24, 2015, 05:06:38 pm »
Most of the made up picnic tap assemblies from online HBSs have a 4 ft. hose.  Can I use a shorter length (like 2') ?  I'm using it inside a fridge temporarily until I get some real taps set up in a different fridge.  Or is there something magic about 4 ft.?
Many of us would be on a strict liquid diet if it weren't for pretzels.

Offline toby

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1021
  • Galvez, LA
    • Beer Judge Chronicles
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2015, 05:22:33 pm »
Generally speaking, it's a formula between line inner diameter and line length to reduce foaming.  That being said, I've seen people with shorty picnic taps (some probably only a foot) that work fine in a pinch.

Offline a10t2

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4696
  • Ask me why I don't like Chico!
    • SeanTerrill.com
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2015, 05:59:10 pm »
Even 4' is pretty short assuming it's 3/16" ID tubing. I'm surprised you're getting a good pour. If you have to go shorter, you'll probably want to reduce the line diameter to prevent foaming. You can also put a little restriction in the line or dip tube: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=20654.0
Sent from my Microsoft Bob

Beer is like porn. You can buy it, but it's more fun to make your own.
Refractometer Calculator | Batch Sparging Calculator | Two Mile Brewing Co.

Offline euge

  • I must live here
  • **********
  • Posts: 8017
  • Ego ceruisam ad bibere cervisiam
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2015, 06:05:48 pm »
I believe I was issued 5' of bevlex initially to run the a keg off a cobra tap. Worked fine at normal co2 vol ranges.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. -Richard P. Feynman

Laws are spider-webs, which catch the little flies, but cannot hold the big ones. -Anacharsis

Offline Philbrew

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2015, 07:47:32 pm »
Even 4' is pretty short assuming it's 3/16" ID tubing. I'm surprised you're getting a good pour.
I ain't poured nuthin' yet...I just hate the thought of all the spagetti on top of the keg(s).  Yup, 3/16" tubing.
Will reduced pressure help?
Many of us would be on a strict liquid diet if it weren't for pretzels.

Offline Philbrew

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2015, 07:48:53 pm »
Generally speaking, it's a formula between line inner diameter and line length to reduce foaming.  That being said, I've seen people with shorty picnic taps (some probably only a foot) that work fine in a pinch.
Do they reduce pressure to make that work??
Many of us would be on a strict liquid diet if it weren't for pretzels.

Offline a10t2

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 4696
  • Ask me why I don't like Chico!
    • SeanTerrill.com
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2015, 08:00:59 pm »
Yeah, you can carbonate at the normal pressure, then reduce it for a short period (a couple hours) to serve at lower pressure.
Sent from my Microsoft Bob

Beer is like porn. You can buy it, but it's more fun to make your own.
Refractometer Calculator | Batch Sparging Calculator | Two Mile Brewing Co.

Offline Philbrew

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2015, 08:05:59 pm »
Then there's this from that other thread:

how about no lines at all:
http://fermentap.com/products/faucet-quick-disconnect-assembly.html

i exclusively use these now. doesn't get any more "direct draw" than this. east to take apart and clean. simple design.


Now I'm really confused.  Though I don't think I'd have space (height) for these.
Many of us would be on a strict liquid diet if it weren't for pretzels.

Offline Stevie

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 6858
Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2015, 08:33:02 pm »
Those require dispensing at low pressure or the addition of restricters in the beer side dip tube. They are handy.

Epoxy mixer restricter hack. - http://myadventuresinbrewing.blogspot.com/2009/07/too-much-foam.html?m=1

Offline Philbrew

  • Brewmaster
  • *****
  • Posts: 867
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2015, 09:11:17 pm »
Those require dispensing at low pressure or the addition of restricters in the beer side dip tube. They are handy.

Epoxy mixer restricter hack. - http://myadventuresinbrewing.blogspot.com/2009/07/too-much-foam.html?m=1
BINGO!  great info!  I just ordered four of those.  Thanks so much Steve.

Edit:  A whole $5.64 (+shipping) for four of the buggers.  That's a cheap/easy solution if they just halfway work.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2015, 09:18:01 pm by Philbrew »
Many of us would be on a strict liquid diet if it weren't for pretzels.

Offline Stevie

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 6858
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2015, 09:12:07 pm »
I've never used them personally, but I know a handful of folks that have and they seem to like them.

Offline kramerog

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2262
    • My LinkedIn page
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2015, 09:32:22 pm »
Those require dispensing at low pressure or the addition of restricters in the beer side dip tube. They are handy.

Epoxy mixer restricter hack. - http://myadventuresinbrewing.blogspot.com/2009/07/too-much-foam.html?m=1

That is interesting.  I wonder how easy it is to clog one of those things with hop debris.

Is it possible to get picnic taps for 1/8" line?

Offline BrewBama

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 6074
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2015, 05:04:39 am »
I have cobra valves and the standard four or five foot tap line in my set up. I serve at the same ~12 PSI I carb at. I simply cycle the CO2 line valve open/close depending on too much or lack of pressure. Low tech solution. Works great.

Offline bassetman

  • Cellarman
  • **
  • Posts: 55
  • B is for beer and Basset
Re: Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2015, 07:14:22 am »
Slightly tangential , does any one make a picnic tap that actually works? The ones that came with my air keg set will not seal even at four psi. At about half a glass you start fiddling with them to stop the flow. Ten days to ordering Perlicks.
If it ain't broke let me have a go at it.

Offline tommymorris

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 3869
Pinic tap hose length?
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2015, 07:18:19 am »
Slightly tangential , does any one make a picnic tap that actually works? The ones that came with my air keg set will not seal even at four psi. At about half a glass you start fiddling with them to stop the flow. Ten days to ordering Perlicks.
Mine work at 30PSI. Only been there a few times to unstick a clogged dip tube.

Yours could be cracked. Also, You can take them apart and clean a reseat the plunger. That may help.