[hoser]

I got the feeling 2206 was temperamental from Designing Great Beers.  Although it isn't called out by name and manufacturer, I interpreted it as the yeast we were using, 2206.  We took extra care to cool the starter and pitch at near fermentation temperature (wort was chilled to the same fermentation temp. as the starter).

I wouldn't call Wyeast 2206 tempermental.  It is the only lager strain I just and it produces very clean, consistent results  and clear beer everytime with 74-78% attenuation no matter the beer.  I set the fermenter at 48-50F for 3-4 weeks and then go straight into lagering.  I have never had this yeast kick off sulfur or diacetyl.  Maybe a little green apple/acetaldehyde when it is young, but that typically goes away quickly. 

[Tim McManus]

Good to know about the enzymes.  At least now I know where to focus next in formulating the recipe.  Any grain suggestions to augment the low enzymes?  I don't have the lot analysis.

If the base malt is anything other than a pale or pilsner malt, and you don't have the lot analysis for it, I'd use the lightest-colored base malt that would be stylistically appropriate to make up at least 20% of the fermentables. In this case that would be your pilsner malt of choice. In an ale, probably a domestic 2-row pale malt.

Thanks, good to know.  That knowledge will come in handy the next time we make this batch and future batches.

[jake amo]

Someone mentioned earlier; a substituion for decotion, not being decotion dependent and other ways to acheive a decotion flavor profile without hours of labor. I would be very interested in this as i am a slave to decotion! I do it all the time; Bock, marzen, pilz, Lambic, hefe allways and i have even tried it with american styles; brown, porter, and it makes a damn good hoppy american red.  I find i get a highly fermentable wort from a double or tripple but not with a single. By highly fermentable i mean 75/80 percent. I find the beers to have an unmatched body and sweetness compared to other beers that dry using infusion.  This continues to mystify me and i continue to be a slave to decotion.   I have however been doing 2 hour boil, single infusion IPAs mashing at 158/160 and getting a similar flavor but with a lower att. 65/70 percent. I would love to brew up a side by side taste test faux decotion vs real decotion. If anyone has a method or methods please help, Im a slave to the slow, slow, slow decotion!

[thatleetboy]

Does anyone have a copy of this recipe that they could share with me?
Or know where it might be posted online somewhere?

Cheers

[Iliff Ave]

Does anyone have a copy of this recipe that they could share with me?
Or know where it might be posted online somewhere?

Cheers

No idea if this is close:
http://byo.com/stories/item/3030-pilsner-urquell-clone

all grain option is below

[BrewArk]

Also the July/August 2011 issue of Zymurgy had a good article on PU, and decoction.

[thatleetboy]

Also the July/August 2011 issue of Zymurgy had a good article on PU, and decoction.

This is what I am looking for.... thanks.

[brewinhard]

Someone mentioned earlier; a substituion for decotion, not being decotion dependent and other ways to acheive a decotion flavor profile without hours of labor. I would be very interested in this as i am a slave to decotion! I do it all the time; Bock, marzen, pilz, Lambic, hefe allways and i have even tried it with american styles; brown, porter, and it makes a damn good hoppy american red.  I find i get a highly fermentable wort from a double or tripple but not with a single. By highly fermentable i mean 75/80 percent. I find the beers to have an unmatched body and sweetness compared to other beers that dry using infusion.  This continues to mystify me and i continue to be a slave to decotion.   I have however been doing 2 hour boil, single infusion IPAs mashing at 158/160 and getting a similar flavor but with a lower att. 65/70 percent. I would love to brew up a side by side taste test faux decotion vs real decotion. If anyone has a method or methods please help, Im a slave to the slow, slow, slow decotion!

I have yet to do a side by side comparison experiment, but I do get a nice full mouthfeel that is reminiscient of a decoction when I perform a no sparge with my beers.