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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2015, 09:44:34 am »
Watch your pH

Don't lose sight of this ^^^.  Mash pH tends to be quite high with 100% pilsner malt beers.  You might get 5.8 or even higher, but you really need to get this down to 5.5 at the most.  The best way to do this is by adding food grade acid, or acidulated malt.  With acid (I use powdered), stir in just tiny amounts like 1/2 or even 1/4 teaspoon at a time, and keep on testing pH until it comes out right at 5.3-5.5.

I am shooting for a ph of 5.35 using gypsum, calcium chloride, and lactic acid for water adjustments.

FWIW, lower is ok. I changed my target PH to around 5.20-5.25 in the mash. I also experimented with adding lactic to kettle after mash  to PH 5.0.  results were more crisp mouthfeel in my pils.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2015, 10:04:40 am »
I like mine crisp and dry. 5.25pH, 100% Pils malt, ~38 to 40 IBU, get the sulfate to 65 to 80 ppm. That makes it more Northern Germany in character, like Jever.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2015, 10:09:13 am »
I like mine crisp and dry. 5.25pH, 100% Pils malt, ~38 to 40 IBU, get the sulfate to 65 to 80 ppm. That makes it more Northern Germany in character, like Jever.

same camp here Jeff. I just started lagering a pils with this exact mash , water and ph profile, around 40ish IBU and FG was 1.009. its just tastes more refreshing to me.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2015, 10:23:44 am »
I like mine crisp and dry. 5.25pH, 100% Pils malt, ~38 to 40 IBU, get the sulfate to 65 to 80 ppm. That makes it more Northern Germany in character, like Jever.

same camp here Jeff. I just started lagering a pils with this exact mash , water and ph profile, around 40ish IBU and FG was 1.009. its just tastes more refreshing to me.

I am not brewing a pils which is why I am calling it a plain 'lager'. Shooting for about 22 IBUs with sterling and crystal. Looking for something less bitter and easy drinking for the summer. Kind of like an 'americanized' helles?...
« Last Edit: April 23, 2015, 10:32:27 am by goschman »
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2015, 10:47:15 am »
That's more in the helles or dortmunder range if I recall correctly, which is a tasty range for me, as well.  I get the sulfate for the hops in the Northern German style, though.  Some guys use only bittering hops in their helles, with no aroma or flameout addition at all.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2015, 10:54:32 am »
That's more in the helles or dortmunder range if I recall correctly, which is a tasty range for me, as well.  I get the sulfate for the hops in the Northern German style, though.  Some guys use only bittering hops in their helles, with no aroma or flameout addition at all.

Yeah I am not really shooting for any particular style. I am doing FWH with sterling then sterling/crystal at 5 min and sterling/crystal dry hop. Trying to get a bit of hop flavor and aroma with soft bitterness.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2015, 11:14:00 am »
Yeah I am not really shooting for any particular style. I am doing FWH with sterling then sterling/crystal at 5 min and sterling/crystal dry hop. Trying to get a bit of hop flavor and aroma with soft bitterness.

Yeah, sounds like you'll end up with something roughly in the Dortmunder range.  Which is great, love Dort lagers.  I'm sure it'll be good !
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2015, 11:34:24 am »
I like mine crisp and dry. 5.25pH, 100% Pils malt, ~38 to 40 IBU, get the sulfate to 65 to 80 ppm. That makes it more Northern Germany in character, like Jever.

same camp here Jeff. I just started lagering a pils with this exact mash , water and ph profile, around 40ish IBU and FG was 1.009. its just tastes more refreshing to me.

oops my bad. read 100% pills and assumed pils  ;D   looks like you are on track for a great beer.
I am not brewing a pils which is why I am calling it a plain 'lager'. Shooting for about 22 IBUs with sterling and crystal. Looking for something less bitter and easy drinking for the summer. Kind of like an 'americanized' helles?...
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2015, 02:28:42 pm »
I like mine crisp and dry. 5.25pH, 100% Pils malt, ~38 to 40 IBU, get the sulfate to 65 to 80 ppm. That makes it more Northern Germany in character, like Jever.

same camp here Jeff. I just started lagering a pils with this exact mash , water and ph profile, around 40ish IBU and FG was 1.009. its just tastes more refreshing to me.

oops my bad. read 100% pills and assumed pils  ;D   looks like you are on track for a great beer.
I am not brewing a pils which is why I am calling it a plain 'lager'. Shooting for about 22 IBUs with sterling and crystal. Looking for something less bitter and easy drinking for the summer. Kind of like an 'americanized' helles?...

No worries. I never specified. I have not brewed a pils yet but when I do, I definitely plan to shoot for a mash pH closer to 5.2
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2015, 01:35:14 pm »
Well I changed my mind at the last minute and decided to go with around:

83% pilsner
15% vienna
2% melanoidin

After thinking about what I wanted from this beer, I though a little more malt complexity might be needed. I think this should do the trick without changing the end product too much. I will have to try a 100% pilsner malt beer soon though...
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2015, 01:55:09 pm »
I think you mad a good choice considering it's not a pils. Looks delicious.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2015, 01:58:31 pm »
Well I changed my mind at the last minute and decided to go with around:

83% pilsner
15% vienna
2% melanoidin

After thinking about what I wanted from this beer, I though a little more malt complexity might be needed. I think this should do the trick without changing the end product too much. I will have to try a 100% pilsner malt beer soon though...

That'll be a good beer.
« Last Edit: April 24, 2015, 02:01:13 pm by HoosierBrew »
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2015, 02:18:00 pm »
Well I changed my mind at the last minute and decided to go with around:

83% pilsner
15% vienna
2% melanoidin

After thinking about what I wanted from this beer, I though a little more malt complexity might be needed. I think this should do the trick without changing the end product too much. I will have to try a 100% pilsner malt beer soon though...
Even lighter is a 100% Best Malz Heidelberg beer. Tasty, light, VERY quaffable.  Traditional helles is brewed with 100% pils malt. It depends on what kind of beer you wanted out it. But your modification looks to be very nice as well.
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2015, 02:22:59 pm »
Here is the complete recipe. This is my second attempt at a lager but as mentioned earlier I am not necessarily using any style guidelines. I am trying to sneak in a bit of hop flavor and aroma but not so much that the wife won't drink it. She won't touch anything close to hoppy...

83% pils
15% vienna
2% melanoidin

14 g Sterling FWH
10 g sterling / 20 g crystal 5 min
10 g sterling / 20 g crystal dry hop

W34/70

1.052
22 IBU
4 SRM
« Last Edit: April 24, 2015, 02:54:55 pm by goschman »
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Re: 100% pils malt. Too light?
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2015, 10:25:28 pm »
Me and my missus would certainly drink it, and she hates "hoppy" beer, but loves my pils
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