[ajk]

In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place.

Now that is weird and something I did not know. I only have one final round medal and don't expect to get another at the rate this hobby's growing, but I'd definitely be in favor of making the final round medals worth more points.
That said, I think the real solution is to bestow more stature and standing on the Radegast award. It's a fairly new award, so I understand why it isn't that way now.

[udubdawg]

2 Gold x 6 Points, 1 Silver x 4 Points, 2 Bronze x 2 Points = 20 Final Round Points
Magic Algebra = 65 Total Entries

Now how can that not be the "NHC Champion Club" or whatever we're going to call it? Most final round points, tiebreaker is final round points per entry, and from there you go to the pie-eating contest or whatever it is they do for Ninkasi now.

Would still like to see an objection/ reasoning why this shouldn't be the criteria. 
Anyone?

[dkfick]

In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place.

Now that is weird and something I did not know. I only have one final round medal and don't expect to get another at the rate this hobby's growing, but I'd definitely be in favor of making the final round medals worth more points.
That said, I think the real solution is to bestow more stature and standing on the Radegast award. It's a fairly new award, so I understand why it isn't that way now.

Apples and oranges. One is a competition based award the other is AHA bestowed.

[gmac]

I started reading this and then I got bored and jumped 14 pages ahead and guess what...still no resolution.

I will do whatever Denny says.

[hopfenundmalz]

In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place.

Now that is weird and something I did not know. I only have one final round medal and don't expect to get another at the rate this hobby's growing, but I'd definitely be in favor of making the final round medals worth more points.
That said, I think the real solution is to bestow more stature and standing on the Radegast award. It's a fairly new award, so I understand why it isn't that way now.

Apples and oranges. One is a competition based award the other is AHA bestowed.

The Radegast goes through a rating process where the entries are judged. It is a little softer than judging beer, but it is judged.

[dkfick]

In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place.

Now that is weird and something I did not know. I only have one final round medal and don't expect to get another at the rate this hobby's growing, but I'd definitely be in favor of making the final round medals worth more points.
That said, I think the real solution is to bestow more stature and standing on the Radegast award. It's a fairly new award, so I understand why it isn't that way now.

Apples and oranges. One is a competition based award the other is AHA bestowed.

The Radegast goes through a rating process where the entries are judged. It is a little softer than judging beer, but it is judged.

Yes, but it's not based on the beer competition (NHC). 

[hopfenundmalz]

In both the First and Final Rounds, six points are awarded for a first place, four points for a second place and two points for a third place.

Now that is weird and something I did not know. I only have one final round medal and don't expect to get another at the rate this hobby's growing, but I'd definitely be in favor of making the final round medals worth more points.
That said, I think the real solution is to bestow more stature and standing on the Radegast award. It's a fairly new award, so I understand why it isn't that way now.

Apples and oranges. One is a competition based award the other is AHA bestowed.

The Radegast goes through a rating process where the entries are judged. It is a little softer than judging beer, but it is judged.

Yes, but it's not based on the beer competition (NHC).

That is correct, Dan.

[dbeechum]

Yes, but it's not based on the beer competition (NHC).

And kinda the point too, unless we can figure out how to make a beer competition reflect the meaning of the Radegast.

ETA - I am honestly annoyed at the notion of the Radegast being a "beauty pageant" award. The clubs who enter are working hard throughout the year and in my mind are doing a hell of a lot more for the hobby than any national beer competition. The Carolina Brewmeisters are kicking serious ass in the name of homebrewing. The Falcons are pretty damn awesome [Course, I may not be entirely fair minded about it.] I can't wait to wade through the reports, now that I'm allowed, to pull together tips and tricks for everyone's clubs.

[dkfick]

Yes, but it's not based on the beer competition (NHC).

And kinda the point too, unless we can figure out how to make a beer competition reflect the meaning of the Radegast.

ETA - I am honestly annoyed at the notion of the Radegast being a "beauty pageant" award. The clubs who enter are working hard throughout the year and in my mind are doing a hell of a lot more for the hobby than any national beer competition. The Carolina Brewmeisters are kicking serious ass in the name of homebrewing. The Falcons are pretty damn awesome [Course, I may not be entirely fair minded about it.] I can't wait to wade through the reports, now that I'm allowed, to pull together tips and tricks for everyone's clubs.

I didn't mean to imply it was not a great award.  I just meant it is apples to oranges with the COTY award.  I don't see why there would be any comparison between the two since they are totally different context.  One is based on a competition and the other is not.  It's just a head scratcher when I see people actually draw a line between the two awards...

[denny]

Just heard that Justin will be addressing this controversy on the Session tonight at 6.

[theDarkSide]

Just heard that Justin will be addressing this controversy on the Session tonight at 6.

It was actually last night, but the podcast should be posted soon.  He addressed it within the first 30 minutes.

I think one of his biggest concerns is most equate the BN Club with the Brewing Network, and they are not the same.

[oldstoneface]

It was actually last night, but the podcast should be posted soon.  He addressed it within the first 30 minutes.

I think one of his biggest concerns is most equate the BN Club with the Brewing Network, and they are not the same.

I think Justin is the reason people do that. He is the face of both of them so to most they are one in the same. Maybe they should consider having an actual elected board for the BN club like most other homebrew clubs (not sure if that was addressed as I did not hear the live show).

[theDarkSide]

It was actually last night, but the podcast should be posted soon.  He addressed it within the first 30 minutes.

I think one of his biggest concerns is most equate the BN Club with the Brewing Network, and they are not the same.

I think Justin is the reason people do that. He is the face of both of them so to most they are one in the same. Maybe they should consider having an actual elected board for the BN club like most other homebrew clubs (not sure if that was addressed as I did not hear the live show).

He did mention one of the options next year was not go up on stage to accept the award.  He also said other options were to regionalize (sp) the club into East/West, 4 regions, 82 regions etc.  His final option to the club was not enter under the BN club next year.

If the last 2 are taken, it bascially becomes the Quaff club of the year award.  While deserving for brewing great beer, it doesn't really address the issue.  I know they only missed by 8 points this year, but I wonder if the AHA would release how many entries total under each club there were?

[a10t2]

I know they only missed by 8 points this year, but I wonder if the AHA would release how many entries total under each club there were?

They haven't released that number directly, but oldstoneface did the math one page back. 256 entries for the BN and 266 for QUAFF.

[klickitat jim]

Its getting hard to find an unbruised spot to beat on this poor horse. Speaking only for myself, when I write BN Army on an entry sheet I am "representing" them about on the same level that a "support the troops" bumper sticker makes me a combat vet. Its 100% tongue in cheek, especially when it comes to me bragging that my club won COTY. Its pretty obvious that it has run its course. Regardless of rules or what Justin says, I doubt I'll write BN Army as my club anymore. It was fun, its not anymore.

Maybe it will get me off my laz y hump and I'll join a club. Maybe not. Either way, the hobby of home brewing rocks and COTY or the BN Army is merely a footnote in the grand scheme of things. If that...