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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #240 on: June 24, 2015, 11:38:30 AM »
I just submitted "American Homebrewers Association Forum" as a homebrew club. Problem solved. Y'all are welcome. Please allow 1 week for processing. Now start brewing and let's take down those BN turkeys!

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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #241 on: June 24, 2015, 12:30:09 PM »
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.
I didn't attend but based on the livestream broadcast when I was listening live, it was worse than previous years.  Maybe the microphones were positioned in a way they picked up the high concentration of people that were booing.  Or maybe they picked up the one guy who was booing really loud and stormed out like a 3 year old.
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« Reply #242 on: June 24, 2015, 12:51:14 PM »
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.
I didn't attend but based on the livestream broadcast when I was listening live, it was worse than previous years.  Maybe the microphones were positioned in a way they picked up the high concentration of people that were booing.  Or maybe they picked up the one guy who was booing really loud and stormed out like a 3 year old.
Yes, I heard boos. When QUAFF was the 800 lb gorilla there were boos, I remember some for the St. Paul guys the last year they won. Might be more for the BN though.
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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #243 on: June 24, 2015, 03:13:41 PM »
How much booing did the rest of you in attendance hear? I didn't hear a lot; less than some of the previous 4 years. I saw some eyerolls; probably did it myself. I heard some comments. Booing? Sounded like a handful.
I honestly wasn't paying attention at that point.  I may have rolled my eyes, but we were sharing beers and congratulating Schoppe.

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« Reply #244 on: June 24, 2015, 03:15:12 PM »
Yeah, every time we've had multiple winners there's been grumbling starting at year 2.

Face it, repeats are a common occurrence with most of the years of this award - the award was created in 1985 - 1986-1995 it went to the Sonoma Beerocrats, 2001-2006 QUAFF, 2007-2009 St. Paul, 2011-2015 TBN. So out of 30 years of the award 24 times it's gone to a repeating club that's on a long streak.

With the BN, everyone's complaining about their spread and reach. With QUAFF everyone complained that hey, how come they have Jamil who lives nowhere near the club because he's in Sacramento? With St. Paul, that's no fair, they've enlisted Gordon Strong who lives in Ohio!

It's always something.

But I'm still a fan of shaking up the award a little and making it more interesting.
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« Reply #245 on: June 24, 2015, 04:06:03 PM »
I agree with every point Steve made.
If a region is so small it doesn't have a club, tell that single HBr to get off their bum and promote their hobby. Lots of people out there want to learn to brew  but don't know where to start. Our club in a town of 22m has gone from 0 to 70 members in 8 yrs because one guy wanted some brew  companionship and hung a couple flyers and put an ad in the local classifieds

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« Reply #246 on: June 24, 2015, 04:16:51 PM »
Yeah, every time we've had multiple winners there's been grumbling starting at year 2.

Face it, repeats are a common occurrence with most of the years of this award - the award was created in 1985 - 1986-1995 it went to the Sonoma Beerocrats, 2001-2006 QUAFF, 2007-2009 St. Paul, 2011-2015 TBN. So out of 30 years of the award 24 times it's gone to a repeating club that's on a long streak.

With the BN, everyone's complaining about their spread and reach. With QUAFF everyone complained that hey, how come they have Jamil who lives nowhere near the club because he's in Sacramento? With St. Paul, that's no fair, they've enlisted Gordon Strong who lives in Ohio!

It's always something.

But I'm still a fan of shaking up the award a little and making it more interesting.
Gordon said he was in the Twin Cities for work often, and started going to the club meetings.

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« Reply #247 on: June 24, 2015, 04:17:55 PM »
Gordon said he was in the Twin Cities for work often, and started going to the club meetings.

Oh, I know, but that was still the thing people complained about starting year 1 of St. Paul winning. Nevermind that at least by the end, they didn't need Gordon's points to win.
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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #248 on: June 24, 2015, 04:18:08 PM »
If a region is so small it doesn't have a club, tell that single HBr to get off their bum and promote their hobby. Lots of people out there want to learn to brew  but don't know where to start. Our club in a town of 22m has gone from 0 to 70 members in 8 yrs because one guy wanted some brew  companionship and hung a couple flyers and put an ad in the local classifieds.

I'm guessing that's supposed to be 22,000.

Anyway, we do have one other homebrewer (in a city of 3,000), but... how can I put this? We have different motivations for wanting to make beer. I resent the implication that I'm lazy just because I prefer talking about brewing to nodding politely at each sip of phenolic rocket fuel. The AHA forum *is* my "club".

FWIW, I may try to get something started once we have a venue for meetings (no LHBS, no brewery yet).
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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #249 on: June 24, 2015, 04:19:55 PM »

Yeah, every time we've had multiple winners there's been grumbling starting at year 2.

Face it, repeats are a common occurrence with most of the years of this award - the award was created in 1985 - 1986-1995 it went to the Sonoma Beerocrats, 2001-2006 QUAFF, 2007-2009 St. Paul, 2011-2015 TBN. So out of 30 years of the award 24 times it's gone to a repeating club that's on a long streak.

It seems most people don't know this or choose to ignore it.  If the rules are changed to exclude the BN QUAFF will dominate.  The same problem will exist with the same people complaining about something else.  There will also be a new problem caused by alienating those in the BN.
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« Reply #250 on: June 24, 2015, 04:21:40 PM »
Gordon said he was in the Twin Cities for work often, and started going to the club meetings.

Oh, I know, but that was still the thing people complained about starting year 1 of St. Paul winning. Nevermind that at least by the end, they didn't need Gordon's points to win.
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« Reply #251 on: June 24, 2015, 04:31:10 PM »
If a region is so small it doesn't have a club, tell that single HBr to get off their bum and promote their hobby. Lots of people out there want to learn to brew  but don't know where to start. Our club in a town of 22m has gone from 0 to 70 members in 8 yrs because one guy wanted some brew  companionship and hung a couple flyers and put an ad in the local classifieds.

I'm guessing that's supposed to be 22,000.

Anyway, we do have one other homebrewer (in a city of 3,000), but... how can I put this? We have different motivations for wanting to make beer. I resent the implication that I'm lazy just because I prefer talking about brewing to nodding politely at each sip of phenolic rocket fuel. The AHA forum *is* my "club".

FWIW, I may try to get something started once we have a venue for meetings (no LHBS, no brewery yet).
Sean I would never insinuate you are lazy. I retract that inference. Just meant if people want brew companionship it is available. If they reach out.  I feel your pain. As the longest running brewer in our club I  get to taste everyone's banana & rubber pale ales and come up with encouraging comments. Love the people but not all their beers. You're one of my brew hero's and now I  feel bad for stepping on your cowboy hat, err toes.
I was not booing, but no it was not for fun. People don't like this.

You have to think about this for a moment to realize the level of frustration for clubs that are not nationally based. They can't compete.

Even large regional clubs can barely do so. We can't in St Paul anymore. We don't have the numbers.

Also, calling the BN a club....well....yeah, there is that aspect, but isn't it also a business? Isn't someone making money off this? Seriously? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

While the BN has provided info to people, it's not the be all and end all of brewing.




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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #252 on: June 24, 2015, 04:47:21 PM »

Yeah, every time we've had multiple winners there's been grumbling starting at year 2.

Face it, repeats are a common occurrence with most of the years of this award - the award was created in 1985 - 1986-1995 it went to the Sonoma Beerocrats, 2001-2006 QUAFF, 2007-2009 St. Paul, 2011-2015 TBN. So out of 30 years of the award 24 times it's gone to a repeating club that's on a long streak.

It seems most people don't know this or choose to ignore it.  If the rules are changed to exclude the BN QUAFF will dominate.  The same problem will exist with the same people complaining about something else.  There will also be a new problem caused by alienating those in the BN.

We should not be advocating to "exclude the BN" as it is not their problem that they are currently winning, we should be advocating to change the rules to make it possible for any club to win. Whether that is accomplished via only counting finals round points or by breaking up the awards into GABF style small/medium/large clubs is up to the AHA GC.
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Re: I like the Brewing Network, but....
« Reply #253 on: June 24, 2015, 05:05:11 PM »
this has gone for a while now, but there's at least three separate issues here.

1. Is BN a club?  This is what the thread started with, but it always felt like that was not what it was about...

2. Some people are booing/otherwise acting poorly.  Gets mentioned every year.

3. The COTY award doesn't have a lot of meaning

I say "sure" to the first, "idiots are everywhere" to the second, and "I agree" to the third.

any other major ones I'm missing?

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« Reply #254 on: June 24, 2015, 05:18:33 PM »
I think the other one is - do we want to make the CotY award more dynamic, more variable and more interesting.
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