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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 09:19:21 am »
I can fill a pitcher from head pressure.  After one pitcher the pour slows noticeably.
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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 09:43:06 am »
I can fill a pitcher from head pressure.  After one pitcher the pour slows noticeably.

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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 10:29:49 am »
This depends a lot on how much head space is in the keg, too.  A very full keg will only pour a short time before there is not enough pressure to push more beer.  A half empty keg with the same head pressure will pour lots of pints.
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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2015, 11:34:09 am »
As a follow up to this, can anyone estimate how long you can actually serve off a carbed keg before it stops pouring? I assume the carbonation of the beer stays, but eventually you lose serving pressure and the beer simply can't make the way up the tubing.

As mentioned, the beer will de-carbonate to equalize the head pressure. Assuming the keg is 60 cm tall and being dispensed at that height, you'd need ~6 kPa (~0.9 psi) head pressure to overcome the static head.

If we assume there's 19 L of beer and 1 L of headspace at 10 psig (69 kPa), and that we pour quickly enough that no dissolved CO2 leaves the beer, we could pour roughly (10 - 0.9)/10 = 91% of the beer. I say "roughly" because that's neglecting the remaining beer column's effect on the static head. Assuming the keg is a cylinder of beer at 1.010 SG, the pressure that needs to be overcome is:

Pg = 1010 kg/m3 * 9.81 m/s2 * 0.6 m * (19 - V) L / 19 L = 313V Pa

Where V is the volume poured in liters. If the beer starts out at 2.5 vol CO2 and 4°C (equilibrium solubility ~1.5 vol) and we pour slowly, such that the beer and headspace are always in equilibrium, the head pressure will be:

Pv = [(1 L * 1.98 g/L * 69/101.325) + (V L * 1.98 g/L * (2.5 - 1.5))] * 101.325 Pa / (20 L * 1.98 g/L) = 244 - 12.7V Pa

Equating and solving gives V = 18.69 L, or a little less than a pint remaining when the flow stops. Starting with a half-and-half keg under the same conditions, V = 9.73 L, so you can indeed pour a little (40 mL) more.

(Edited to flip the definition of V and solve for the half-full keg.)
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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 11:41:29 am »
This depends a lot on how much head space is in the keg, too.  A very full keg will only pour a short time before there is not enough pressure to push more beer.  A half empty keg with the same head pressure will pour lots of pints.

Very true.
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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 06:42:48 pm »
I can fill a pitcher from head pressure.  After one pitcher the pour slows noticeably.
Yeah 3 or 4 pints is about my experience also.

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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2015, 09:11:56 am »
Just bumping this to ask how long it would take said keg to re-carbonate up to the appropriate level? I've pulled maybe 3 or 4 pints off it since I pulled the CO2 line off. Cheers!

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Re: Pulling Keg off of CO2
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2015, 09:16:53 am »
Just hook the CO2 back up to repressurize to whatever pressure you had and you'll be good.  No loss of carbonation if you do it soon, so no need to re-carbonate.

If you don't re-gas it, it will eventually equalize in the keg at lower carbonation.
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