[Steve Ruch]

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[mchrispen]

When I talked to them, they were not yet shipping or selling product other than to some local breweries. I believe they said their prices would be competitive with White Labs, etc. I didn't pick up one of the cans of yeast - but apparently they were giving some away the last day of the Expo.

Wondering if they are going to sell direct through internet sales.

[a10t2]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

[Thirsty_Monk]

"Organic" yeast sounds like a gimmick.

Yeah I wondered about that too.  Clearly it is important to a growing segment of the market.  Specifically I wondered how the managed culturing yeast in a way that it could be described as organic.  I wouldn't be surprised if most or all yeast could be labeled 'organic.'

Regardless, I too am interested.  The thing I see regardless of packaging (smack pack, can, vial...) is that they all are attempts to meet the needs of the producer.  No one seems to make packaging that meets the desires of the homebrewer.

As an example of what I am talking about: if they would put a spout on the package it would be more sanitary (no package entirely open to the air) and effective (how many times have you cussed while trying to pour a smack pack into the top of an Erlenmeyer flask?)

I think everything what grows is organic. And everything what is on this planet is natural.

Do not let me start on word "fresh".

Sometimes words lose their meanings in this age.

[pete b]

"Organic" yeast sounds like a gimmick.

Yeah I wondered about that too.  Clearly it is important to a growing segment of the market.  Specifically I wondered how the managed culturing yeast in a way that it could be described as organic.  I wouldn't be surprised if most or all yeast could be labeled 'organic.'

Regardless, I too am interested.  The thing I see regardless of packaging (smack pack, can, vial...) is that they all are attempts to meet the needs of the producer.  No one seems to make packaging that meets the desires of the homebrewer.

As an example of what I am talking about: if they would put a spout on the package it would be more sanitary (no package entirely open to the air) and effective (how many times have you cussed while trying to pour a smack pack into the top of an Erlenmeyer flask?)

I think everything what grows is organic. And everything what is on this planet is natural.

Do not let me start on word "fresh".

Sometimes words lose their meanings in this age.

I agree that how the word fresh is used in marketing is silly but the word organic does have meaning even if usda organic doesn't go far enough, it still at least means that dangerous chemicals are not used. I I'm happy to pay a bit more for corn that's not "round-up ready" or potatoes that weren't dosed with herbicide the day before to make harvesting easier.

[Stevie]

Organic doesn't equal safe necessarily. There are plenty of organic pesticides and herbicides that a person would still rather not consume.

[ranchovillabrew]

"Organic " means contains carbon. nothing  more nothing  else. Organic certification  is bs.

[pete b]

Organic doesn't equal safe necessarily. There are plenty of organic pesticides and herbicides that a person would still rather not consume.

I know of a few chemicals approved for organic farming that are safe. What chemicals do you know of that are certified organic that are not considered safe? Are they less safe than the conventional counterparts used for the same application? Do they build up in your organs like some conventional pesticides and herbicides. Have they been found at unsafe levels in runoff from large farms?

[pete b]

"Organic " means contains carbon. nothing  more nothing  else. Organic certification  is bs.

Wow. someone just looked up a word in their 1933 Webster's Dictionary. At the very least organic certification means that harmful chemicals were not used in the production of that food. For many food products this is very important because a lot of these chemicals are used and a lot are still on them when purchased. They are also engineered to adhere to the plant so they don't wash off in the rain so washing isn't much help. Also if you have good organic farmers nearby there is a good chance they are using stricter organic practices such as remineralizing their soil which result in much much higher nutritional density in their crops and have their soil and food tested regularly to insure this. Talk to them. Not all food is the same.

[klickitat jim]

Imagine if Club of the Year was organic, oh the discussions we coul have.

[pete b]

Imagine if Club of the Year was organic, oh the discussions we coul have.

Yes! There's no way a club could get that big organically!

[Stevie]

Don't get me wrong, I'm good with organic. It's less about what is good for the person than what is good for the planet

Entrust is a pesticide produced by Dow that is considered slightly toxic to humans. Just look at the msds sheets, organic doesn't mean chemical free.

Chemical is another word that has received a bad rap from crazies like the food babe.

[pete b]

Don't get me wrong, I'm good with organic. It's less about what is good for the person than what is good for the planet

Entrust is a pesticide produced by Dow that is considered slightly toxic to humans. Just look at the msds sheets, organic doesn't mean chemical free.

Chemical is another word that has received a bad rap from crazies like the food babe.

Agreed no need to be alarmist about the word chemical. These organic  chemicals do have to go under much more scrutiny for both toxicity and ability to decompose than conventional ones and are nonetheless shunned by many organic farmers.
Also agreed that this is also about the planet. Unfortunately usda organic does not require much of farmers other than not using harmful chemicals and fertilizer. The good thing is that more and more organic farmers are doing what it takes to make the soil healthy and sustainable and doing it effeciently and profitability.

[Stevie]

The decomposition is the ticket. Many synthetic pesticide and herbicides are less toxic to people and wash away fine. The issue is they hang around in the soil for s long time.

Plus, pesticides are expensive. Farmers both conventional and organic would rather avoid using them if they could and will use the bare minimum needed to save money.

[pete b]

The decomposition is the ticket. Many synthetic pesticide and herbicides are less toxic to people and wash away fine. The issue is they hang around in the soil for s long time.

Plus, pesticides are expensive. Farmers both conventional and organic would rather avoid using them if they could and will use the bare minimum needed to save money.

Yes and farmers are learning that the ease and cheapness of "conventional" agriculture is a myth. Organic methods often turn out more cost effective and sometimes less labor intensive in the long run. By concentrating on soil health farmers are finding plants are healthier and don't need much help warding off disease or competing with weeds. Right now dairy farmers are dropping growth hormones in part because it turns out that while increasing production in the short run hormones adversely effects the health of the herd resulting in less production over a cow's lifetime. health of the herd