[Steve Ruch]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

I can get WLP for $6 something at my LHBS, add $1.25 for the DME for a starter is quite a bit less than $10.

[Joe Sr.]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

I can get WLP for $6 something at my LHBS, add $1.25 for the DME for a starter is quite a bit less than $10.

But that's not organic...

I hear all the arguments about organic, but it just sounds to me like a reason to charge 50% more.  It's like going to Whole Foods.  You can get the same stuff elsewhere, it just doesn't cost as much.

However, if organic is important to you, and it is to many, than maybe you're OK paying more.  Even if the definition of organic is open to interpretation.

[dkfick]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

I can get WLP for $6 something at my LHBS, add $1.25 for the DME for a starter is quite a bit less than $10.

Don't forget time and energy.

[pete b]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

I can get WLP for $6 something at my LHBS, add $1.25 for the DME for a starter is quite a bit less than $10.

But that's not organic...

I hear all the arguments about organic, but it just sounds to me like a reason to charge 50% more.  It's like going to Whole Foods.  You can get the same stuff elsewhere, it just doesn't cost as much.

However, if organic is important to you, and it is to many, than maybe you're OK paying more.  Even if the definition of organic is open to interpretation.

Yep its whether or not you value it enough to spend more. If your happy with bud craft beer is a chance to charge 50-150% more.

[Joe Sr.]

Yep its whether or not you value it enough to spend more. If your happy with bud craft beer is a chance to charge 50-150% more.

Ouch!  I like how you did that, but I think that's a false analogy.

If Budweiser made a beer that tasted just like Chimay but was half the price, I'd be happy to buy it.  They don't.

I can't really tell a difference between organic and non-organic produce (beyond price).  So the benefits are something I have to take largely on faith.

I would bet that organic yeast will perform exactly like non-organic yeast and under a micro-scope they will look identical (assuming the same strains of course).

So, if you're sold on organic yeast the reasons are not because the yeast themselves are better but for the intangible benefits of organic.  At least intangible to me.

So... it's a reason to up-charge.

[johnnyb]

I'll gladly pay $10 if the yeast is fresh and contains enough cells so that I don't need to make a starter.

[a10t2]

Yeah, I couldn't care less about the organic aspect but it's $4 less for a pitchable quantity of yeast. Splash the can around in some sanitizer, pop the top, and pitch.

[pete b]

Yep its whether or not you value it enough to spend more. If your happy with bud craft beer is a chance to charge 50-150% more.

Ouch!  I like how you did that, but I think that's a false analogy.

If Budweiser made a beer that tasted just like Chimay but was half the price, I'd be happy to buy it.  They don't.

I can't really tell a difference between organic and non-organic produce (beyond price).  So the benefits are something I have to take largely on faith.

I would bet that organic yeast will perform exactly like non-organic yeast and under a micro-scope they will look identical (assuming the same strains of course).

So, if you're sold on organic yeast the reasons are not because the yeast themselves are better but for the intangible benefits of organic.  At least intangible to me.

So... it's a reason to up-charge.

It is largely a false analogy, but a fun analogy IMO. Seriously, in certain foods that tend to contain larger amounts of pesticides, hormones etc. I'm not sure that lower risk of cancer and other diseases is intangible and may be worth paying 50% more for say 10-20% of your food items that carry these risks. No, you don't necessarily taste the difference, but that's not the point. That being said, if you go further and get produce, meat, and dairy products from great farmers you DO taste and even feel the difference of greater nutritional density. Beets grown in well cared for soil with appropriate levels of trace minerals look and taste better than USDA organic from a grocery store but at least usda organic is free of pesticides etc. A few years ago I gave up factory raised meat and only eat humanely raised animals, mostly from local farms. I was blown away by the flavor. Tyson or perdue chicken actually does not taste anything like chicken.
As far as yeast goes I might get this product if its better and turns out to be a pitchable quantity but not necessarily because its organic. I assume that yeast producers use wort and therefore barley so that might be the main ingredient that is organic here. As far as I know barley is not a crop that tends to have a big pesticide load so I don't usually get it organic.

[Steve Ruch]

They aren't in stores yet, but at NHC they were saying around $10.

I can get WLP for $6 something at my LHBS, add $1.25 for the DME for a starter is quite a bit less than $10.

Don't forget time and energy.

I'm retired so time I got, but much money not. It can't take all that much energy to get a quart starter to boil for a few minutes.

[dkfick]

Boil and cooling. Though really by energy I meant human energy. 

[brulosopher]

Did anyone catch the name of that new yeast company?  The one that will be selling 200 billion cells per pitch in little metal canisters.

Hey dude! I believe they're Imperial Yeast or something like that. I spent some time chatting with them and really appreciated how open they were about their strains. For example, the guy I was talking with told me their Kölsch strain is "sources from the same brewery as WLP029," which is in my top 3 favorite yeasts.

That said, since I harvest 180-200 billion cells from starters, the higher pitch rate isn't all that appealing to me... but I like variety!

[narcout]

Did anyone catch the name of that new yeast company?  The one that will be selling 200 billion cells per pitch in little metal canisters.

Hey dude! I believe they're Imperial Yeast or something like that. I spent some time chatting with them and really appreciated how open they were about their strains. For example, the guy I was talking with told me their Kölsch strain is "sources from the same brewery as WLP029," which is in my top 3 favorite yeasts.

That said, since I harvest 180-200 billion cells from starters, the higher pitch rate isn't all that appealing to me... but I like variety!

Yeah, those are the guys I was thinking of.  I had a chance to speak to them a bit at the end of pro night, and they were real nice.

I make starters regularly, but an inexpensive, larger pitch would definitely be convenient.

I have never used WLP029; I'll have to give it a try.

[Stevie]

I've been happy with GigaYeast's larger pitches. I pitched two packs of their Conan strain into 11 gallons of 1.060 wort and was happy with the results

[curtism1234]

I wonder how Mangrove Jack feels about another yeast called Workhorse 

[Thirsty_Monk]

If I could go back to organic vs "normal".

Question is:

if I take normal yeast and keep making  organic wort and I am on let say 5-th generation. Is my yeast organic at that time? As we know all original cells are dead by then.

The same goes if I get organic yeast and feed it with normal wort and I am on 5-th generation. Is this yeast still organic or not?

Thank you.