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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2015, 06:34:15 PM »
Ah, yeah, now that you mention it, I do recall raising an eyebrow at that.  However, it still would mean only a 5x increase, so it's more like 280 pints per day.
Agreed, but why not limit what you can?  I've had no trouble living with drastically reduced of Fermcap.
So when you planning to stop using those plastic items that leach into your beer?  ;)  To me, it's a question of risk vs. reward.  Using Fermcap, I don't worry or focus on boilovers or messy blowoffs.  The 0.045g/glass just isn't that big a risk in comparison.

If I had evidence that the plastic I used leached, I would.  but since every indication is that it doesn't, I've done my due diligence.  I've found other, almost equally easy ways to deal with boilovers and blowoff, so those aren't reasons for me.  And I'm not trying to convince anyone else.  I convinced myself and that's all that I need.
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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2015, 06:45:14 PM »
If I had evidence that the plastic I used leached, I would.  but since every indication is that it doesn't, I've done my due diligence.  I've found other, almost equally easy ways to deal with boilovers and blowoff, so those aren't reasons for me.  And I'm not trying to convince anyone else.  I convinced myself and that's all that I need.

+1.  And reading the Toxicology presentation from this year's NHC did nothing to change my mind about using coolers.
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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2015, 06:51:15 PM »
+1.  And reading the Toxicology presentation from this year's NHC did nothing to change my mind about using coolers.
The whole point of the presentation was that all of the worry about chemicals (including plastics leaching or simethicone) was silly from a risk perspective.  The only significant risk is sweet, sweet ethanol. 

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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2015, 06:59:22 PM »
+1.  And reading the Toxicology presentation from this year's NHC did nothing to change my mind about using coolers.
The whole point of the presentation was that all of the worry about chemicals (including plastics leaching or simethicone) was silly from a risk perspective.  The only significant risk is sweet, sweet ethanol. 

Agreed. That was my takeaway.
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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2015, 07:40:00 PM »
Incidentally, it appears that much of the concern about it comes from secondhand information.  After doing some curious googling, I actually found a direct link to the FDA code on it.  Note there is nothing mentioned about filtering, only a final presence of less than 10ppm generally.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfcfr/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=173.340

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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2015, 07:46:49 PM »
Mostly I quit using it because saying "my beers are made with barley, hops, water, yeast and Fermcap-S" just sounds awkward. 
I make a point to mention the nylon I also use because in Food Babe world, that's an ingredient too.

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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2015, 01:44:42 PM »
I stopped worrying about it some time ago. Read this the other day, I am not worried.

"The dose makes the poison"

Fermcap-S Safe level is 13g/day, at 2 drops per carboy the per glass rate you would get is 0.009g/glass. I can't drink that much beer! 1400 pints day.
Source the "Homebrew Toxicology" presentation by Paul Hanlon, NHC 2015.

Alcohol is the most toxic thing we are ingesting.

Agreed, but why not limit what you can?  I've had no trouble living with drastically reduced of Fermcap.
I would likely have to stop brewing without Fermcap. I boil 4 gallons (with the lid on until I get up to a rolling boil) in a 5 gallon pot on my stove. If I boiled over with any great frequency the wife would cut me off.

I realize that you are not trying to tell anyone to stop using Fermcap. I'm not trying to force it down anyone's throats myself. But as a pharmacist I will say that there is no medical or toxicological reason to limit your use or exposure to Fermcap. The stuff is perfectly safe and nontoxic even if used at much higher levels than as described on the label. And you are likely already exposed to this stuff on a frequent basis from other food/cosmetic products already.

Again, I understand your sentiment, but the phrase "why not limit what you can?" implies that there is a reason to limit Fermcap exposure, and there is no good reason outside of "personal choice". There is more reason to limit beer altogether than Fermcap, at least from a medical/toxicological viewpoint.
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Re: Thoughts on "fermcap"
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2015, 03:12:31 PM »
I use it a couple of drops at a time to prevent boil-overs and I'm perfectly normal and healthy.  Well, pretty healthy.  For someone my age.  Maybe not normal.  Except for this twitch.
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