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Flaked oats in IPA
« on: July 08, 2015, 02:37:39 AM »
Just curious if anyone here has ever tried adding some flaked oats to an AIPA for a bit of body and smoothness? If so, how did it turn out? What effect did it have on the finished beer? What did you learn or what would you change in future etc?

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2015, 03:03:14 AM »
Not yet, but planning to for the BrewUnited challenge.  I would keep the percentage relatively low just like Carafoam.  Maybe 0.5# or less for a 5 gallon batch.

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2015, 04:28:12 AM »
May be flaked barley is a better option. Use about 8-10%.
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2015, 01:23:27 PM »
I have and it's awesome. One of the best APA's I've had is Tired Hands Hop Hands and they use massive amounts of oats with clone recipes suggesting close to 20% flaked oats.

I wouldn't use much in a typical dry west coast pale ale but it's perfect for the newer Northeast/Vermont style hoppy ales that tend to have a silky smooth body (usually low ibu's, very hazy, dry hopped like a 2xIPA, more chloride and less sulfate than usual, oats or wheat isn't unusual, and an expressive yeast like Conan or London Ale III instead of Chico).

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2015, 10:45:59 PM »
May be flaked barley is a better option. Use about 8-10%.

Can I ask why you would suggest barley instead of oats? What would be the differences to expect?

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2015, 10:47:06 PM »
I have and it's awesome. One of the best APA's I've had is Tired Hands Hop Hands and they use massive amounts of oats with clone recipes suggesting close to 20% flaked oats.

I wouldn't use much in a typical dry west coast pale ale but it's perfect for the newer Northeast/Vermont style hoppy ales that tend to have a silky smooth body (usually low ibu's, very hazy, dry hopped like a 2xIPA, more chloride and less sulfate than usual, oats or wheat isn't unusual, and an expressive yeast like Conan or London Ale III instead of Chico).

What % did you use in yours? It sounds awesome.

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2015, 11:04:14 PM »
I have and it's awesome. One of the best APA's I've had is Tired Hands Hop Hands and they use massive amounts of oats with clone recipes suggesting close to 20% flaked oats.

I wouldn't use much in a typical dry west coast pale ale but it's perfect for the newer Northeast/Vermont style hoppy ales that tend to have a silky smooth body (usually low ibu's, very hazy, dry hopped like a 2xIPA, more chloride and less sulfate than usual, oats or wheat isn't unusual, and an expressive yeast like Conan or London Ale III instead of Chico).


Do you have any target numbers for these starting from distilled?

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2015, 11:06:00 PM »

May be flaked barley is a better option. Use about 8-10%.

Can I ask why you would suggest barley instead of oats? What would be the differences to expect?
It will still gives you body but less silky. But that is just my opinion. Keep on brewing.
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2015, 05:10:18 PM »
Liam & Johnny -

Malt: My last batch was 83% Base 2-row, 15% Flaked Oats, 2% Acid Malt (purely for pH).. very hazy.

Hops: I usually target only 25-30ibus for a pale ale then I add ½ oz/gallon at a 170f hop stand followed by an oz or more per gallon of dry hopping.

Water: I blend somewhere around 85% distilled water with philly tap water then add gypsum (usually around 7grams) and CaCl (usually around 5grams). Basically I'm targeting a pH around 5.3, S04 of 150, and Chloride of 100. Normally IPA's seem to target a lot higher on the S04 and lower on Chloride.

Yeast: Either an English strain fermented cool or Conan (I've used The Yeast Bay Vermont Ale or East Coast Yeasts version) seem to work a bit better with this style than Chico.

I'm still tweaking a lot and hawking other peoples cloning attempts but this style of APA/IPA has quickly become my favorite kind of beer. The last Hop Hands clone recipe I saw was 18% oats.

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2015, 05:30:38 PM »
I have done a few iterations of an oat pale ale that used flaked oats, oat malt, and golden naked oats up to about 25% of the grist that I could never get quite right. I think I used 10-12% flaked oats with good success as far as that is concerned. The oat malt and golden naked oats seemed to give it a strange character that I didn't care for. I have never had an issue with clarifying it...

If I ever do it again, I will only use oats in the form of flaked.
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2015, 06:25:34 PM »
I'm planning on trying 10% or so in my next APA.  I've used up to 12% in my last couple of Saisons and am pleased with the results.

Not yet, but planning to for the BrewUnited challenge.  I would keep the percentage relatively low just like Carafoam.  Maybe 0.5# or less for a 5 gallon batch.

I think it's gotta be flaked wheat for that comp, right?
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2015, 01:34:54 AM »
i must say this is a remarkable IPA and i used 10% flaked oats. i agree with Liam its great in that northeast/Vermont type IPA and a must for using the conan (Giga Vermont IPA strain) . This was a clone out of one of the mags it is Delicious!
Recipe: Riverwards IPA
Brewer: Quattlebaum
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 5.42 gal
Post Boil Volume: 4.42 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 3.75 gal   
Bottling Volume: 3.50 gal
Estimated OG: 1.060 SG
Estimated Color: 3.8 SRM
Estimated IBU: 67.8 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 82.7 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
6 lbs 10.4 oz         Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         1        79.7 %       
13.5 oz               Oats, Flaked (Briess) (1.4 SRM)          Grain         2        10.1 %       
13.5 oz               White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM)               Grain         3        10.1 %       
0.20 oz               Columbus (Tomahawk) [15.20 %] - First Wo Hop           4        15.3 IBUs     
0.94 oz               Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min    Hop           5        6.9 IBUs     
0.94 oz               Citra [14.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min           Hop           6        12.4 IBUs     
1.00 oz               Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] - Steep/Whirlpool Hop           7        14.1 IBUs     
0.75 oz               Citra [14.50 %] - Steep/Whirlpool  30.0  Hop           8        19.1 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Vermont IPA (GigaYeast #Gy054)           Yeast         9        -             
1.50 oz               Amarillo Gold [8.00 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Day Hop           10       0.0 IBUs     
1.50 oz               Citra [14.50 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days       Hop           11       0.0 IBUs     
0.50 oz               Simcoe [12.20 %] - Dry Hop 5.0 Days      Hop           12       0.0 IBUs     


Mash Schedule: (208) Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out, Fly
Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 5.5 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 3.65 gal of water at 162.1 F        150.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Fly sparge with 2.77 gal water at 168.0 F
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chill to 190F then do WP x 30min

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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2015, 06:55:56 PM »

May be flaked barley is a better option. Use about 8-10%.

Can I ask why you would suggest barley instead of oats? What would be the differences to expect?
It will still gives you body but less silky. But that is just my opinion. Keep on brewing.
I tried flaked barley in an APA and will never use it again in a pale beer. I get a raw, grassy flavor from it that I just didn't care for.
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2015, 07:05:52 PM »
I tried flaked barley in an APA and will never use it again in a pale beer. I get a raw, grassy flavor from it that I just didn't care for.

Are you sure that came from the flaked barley?  Ive used it on a number of accassions and never had that flavor.
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Re: Flaked oats in IPA
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2015, 07:08:14 PM »


May be flaked barley is a better option. Use about 8-10%.

Can I ask why you would suggest barley instead of oats? What would be the differences to expect?
It will still gives you body but less silky. But that is just my opinion. Keep on brewing.
I tried flaked barley in an APA and will never use it again in a pale beer. I get a raw, grassy flavor from it that I just didn't care for.
I did not have that experience. I used it in pale English beer about 5 SRM.
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