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I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. Was this light sulfer?

They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2015, 03:55:50 PM »
I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2015, 03:57:46 PM »
I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2015, 04:13:55 PM »
Unfortunately I'd probably have to taste it myself to help you out.
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2015, 04:31:04 PM »
I visited Pensacola Bay Brewery in Florida last week (spectacular beer by the way) and thought their Kolsch was very unique from others I have tried. It had a very distinctive air and salty flavor - a California Common came to mind. They said it was a Munich yeast.

Any idea of what they may have used?

Thanks
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Stale quality like you're drinking an Anchor Steam. Don't know how else to describe it...  :P

stale as in oxidized?
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2015, 04:48:07 PM »
The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2015, 05:04:51 PM »
I can't say I get an "air" flavor from anchor steam. I get lots of malt with herbal and woodsy, almost like fresh soil.

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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2015, 05:09:50 PM »

stale as in oxidized?
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I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don't think it was oxidized.

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.

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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2015, 07:07:13 PM »

stale as in oxidized?

I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don't think it was oxidized.

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.
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paper says oxidation. That's a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That's ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don't think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn't really sound like something I'd want to replicate either.
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2015, 07:18:56 PM »


paper says oxidation. That's a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That's ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don't think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn't really sound like something I'd want to replicate either.
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2015, 07:22:26 PM »


paper says oxidation. That's a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That's ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don't think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn't really sound like something I'd want to replicate either.

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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2015, 07:38:32 PM »

stale as in oxidized?

I would certainly not describe it as a sherry or metalic flavor. It would be closer to a paper flavor but I don't think it was oxidized.

The salty flavor could from the water they are using.  Do you get salty flavor from Cal Commons?

I do not get a salty flavor with Anchor Steam and the couple of homebrews I have tried. Perhaps it is the water, the city is probably pumping it in from the Gulf. I did not taste the local water during my visit.

paper says oxidation. That's a packaging fault. Metallic would not be oxidation. That's ussually a water problem.

Salty says water to me as well. I don't think what you are describing is a yeast character though. Doesn't really sound like something I'd want to replicate either.
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Actually I get metallic from some oxidized beers.  Still just guessing, though.
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2015, 10:30:50 AM »
I wonder if they didn't use WY2124, which is used by many breweries at warmer temps to create more ale like flavors.

"Salty and air" to me says you were hanging at the beach with a wonderful salty sea breeze that has altered and even possibly enhanced your perception.

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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2015, 10:39:03 AM »
Or maybe it was a Gose?
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Re: In search of Kolsch yeast that produces an air and salty flavor
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2015, 10:42:29 AM »
Or maybe it was a Gose?

That would explain it completely, they pulled the wrong tap.