[2brew559]

Hi everyone and  good morning west coast time here

Would appreciate some suggestions & or critiquing; please explain why.. so I learn 

Created a pale ale recipe that is not thick in body, should have nice lacing in glass,  is easy drinking for the people who do not like the very bitter and hoppy beers. Im aiming for a  citrusy/ fruity  aroma and well rounded and smooth bittering up front.

What I do not care for is a hop monster( high IBUS/ Bittering or something that that has a very strong aroma of grass or pine cones.. Im not an herbavoir .LOL

My BU/GU Ratio is
Boil Gravity 1.044
BU/GU ratio  0.58
Calories per 12oz 184.9

Im at a BU/GU of .060 rounded off for a perceived bitterness which is at the low end if im reading the Hoppy Style Bu/GU chart's i've seen for a pale ales  at the low end of bittering. 

Method: All Grain
Style: American Pale Ale   
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)   
Boil Size: 7.52 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.044 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)   

Original Gravity: 1.056 Final Gravity: 1.013 ABV (standard): 5.61% IBU (tinseth): 32.32         
SRM (morey): 6.1
Fermentables
Amount   Fermentable     PPG   °L   Bill %
8.4 lb        American - Pale 2-Row   37   1.8   80.5%
0.52 lb   American - Caramel / Crystal 40L   34   40   5%
1 lb    German - Munich Light   37   6   9.6%
0.52 lb   American - Wheat   38   1.8   5%
10.44 lb   Total           

Hops
Amount   Variety   Type   AA   Use   Time   IBU
0.5 oz   Magnum   Pellet   15     Boil: 60 min   27.34
0.25 oz   Citra   Pellet   11            Aroma:15 min   4.98

Hops Summary
Amount   Variety   Type   AA
0.25 oz   Citra      Pellet   11
0.5 oz        Magnum       Pellet   15

Mash Guidelines
Amount   Description   Type   Temp   Time
4.05 gal   mash In   Infusion   152 F   60 min
6.05 gal   mash out   Sparge   170 F   15 min
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.55   qt/lb
Other Ingredients
Amount   Name   Type   Use   Time
1 tsp   Irish Moss   Fining   Boil   15 min
Yeast
Wyeast - American Ale 1056
Attenuation (avg):
75%   
Flocculation:
Med-Low
Optimum Temp:
60 - 72 °F   

Fermentation Temp: fermentation freezer with Johnston controller and probe  insulated and taped to carboy
62°F   
Pitch Rate:
0.35   (M cells / ml / ° P)
101 B cells required

Yeast Starter: 1500ML starter

Notes
What Im aiming for in this recipe:(for beer drinkers who do not like that Very bitter and hoppy beers)
Body: Light to medium
Head: Nice head retention and lacing
malty: slightly not overpowering
Sweetness: Just enough to round off the bitterness of the bittering hops
Color SRM: nice golden to that slight orangey/ brownish color
Bittering: clean & smooth bittering, not very bitter.
Aroma: Strong citrus and tropical tones of grapefruit, melon, lime, gooseberry, passion fruit and lychee

A nice beer i could drink in the summer. wait isn't that what we all want..LOL

[2brew559]

See: citrus mistress 1st recipe very beginning of discussion
Method: All Grain
Style: American Pale Ale   
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)   
Boil Size: 7.52 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.044 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)   

Original Gravity: 1.056 Final Gravity: 1.013 ABV (standard): 5.61% IBU (tinseth): 32.32         
SRM (morey): 6.1
Fermentables
Amount   Fermentable     PPG   °L   Bill %
8.4 lb        American - Pale 2-Row   37   1.8   80.5%
0.52 lb   American - Caramel / Crystal 40L   34   40   5%
1 lb    German - Munich Light   37   6   9.6%
0.52 lb   American - Wheat   38   1.8   5%
10.44 lb   Total           


2nd version of above   (Tweaked)

BU/GU: 0.59
IBU
Method: All Grain
Style: American Pale Ale   
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)   
Boil Size: 7 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.043 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)   
 
Original Gravity: 1.055 Final Gravity: 1.013 ABV (standard): 5.51%
IBU (tinseth):32.55 
SRM (morey): 5.78
Fermentables
Amount   Fermentable   PPG   °L   Bill %
8.75 lb   American - Pale 2-Row   37   1.8   85.4%
0.5 lb   American - Caramel / Crystal 40L   34   40   4.9%
0.5 lb   German - Munich Light   37   6   4.9%
0.5 lb    American - Wheat   38   1.8   4.9%
10.25 lb   Total           

Hops
Amount   Variety   Type   AA   Use   Time   IBU
0.5 oz   Magnum   Pellet   15   Boil   60 min   27.54
0.25 oz   Citra   Pellet   11   Aroma   15 min   5.01
Hops Summary
Amount   Variety   Type   AA
0.25 oz   Citra   Pellet   11
0.5 oz   Magnum   Pellet   15
Mash Guidelines
Amount   Description   Type   Temp   Time
4.05 gal   mash In   Infusion   152 F   60 min
6.05 gal   mash out   Sparge   170 F   15 min
Starting Mash Thickness: 1.55   qt/lb

[cascadesrunner]

That looks like an easy drinking pale.  Are you looking to do a clone of HV's Citrus Mistress? 

[2brew559]

That looks like an easy drinking pale.  Are you looking to do a clone of HV's Citrus Mistress?

LOl sounds like i am.. because of the name. I just called it that to keep track of it in my  files..LOl something catchy I guess..

"Easy drinking pale and not a bitter or sweet  bomb":  That's what I was  going for, so yes. easy drinking. I  trying for something smooth, slightly malty and  rounded smooth bitterness with that  Lychee, passion citrus fruit aroma flavor that Citra hops gives you...

Out of the 2 recipes which one is best you think?
5.5 gallon batches

1: would you increase or decrease the crystal or leave alone? 

2: Munich or sub in Vienna and or increase?

3: would you increase either thee Munich or Vienna

Note: I/ve never used magnum or Citra nor have i ever made an APA beer. 1st time and my 1st recipe formulation..LOL !  Am I using theses correctly for what Im trying to achieve?
I think/ hope I am according to my research... maybe...LOL

Thank You for taking the time to respond    

[Iliff Ave]

My main question is regarding the hop amounts. Is there really only 0.75 ounces of hops total? If so, that is a big problem for an APA. My house APA uses about 4.5 ounces of hops total for 5 gallons and that is conservative to some...

[Stevie]

I agree you are low on the late hops for an apa. Looking more in blonde territory. I recommend pairing the citra with something. I don't like it solo. Amarillo, cascade, centennial, and simcoe are all good choices.

[HoosierBrew]

I agree you are low on the late hops for an apa. Looking more in blonde territory. I recommend pairing the citra with something. I don't like it solo. Amarillo, cascade, centennial, and simcoe are all good choices.

+2

[denny]

You can lose the wheat and Munich, IMO.

[2brew559]

I agree you are low on the late hops for an apa. Looking more in blonde territory. I recommend pairing the citra with something. I don't like it solo. Amarillo, cascade, centennial, and simcoe are all good choices.

So How would you guys do a hop schedule for this

The suggestions were magnum for bittering
pairing the citra with cascade for aroma

What about using Amarillo as well  or is that just too much of a muddled/ sim. floral aroma?

Hop schedule example?
 
Well rounded and smooth Bittering,
 fruity + passion fruit+ citrus+orange aroma and  flavor

Denny, I dropped the what but kept the Munich as well.. why drop that if I might ask?


Thank you every one for your suggestions and input...


 



Thanks guys 

[Stevie]

You could do all three if you want, but stage them at different times. You already said you don't like hop forward beers, so maybe go easy. I would try a half ounce citra and .5 ounce of another c-hop at 5 or 10 minutes.

If this were my beer, I would go ounce total at 0, ounce total at 10, magnum (or another good bittering hop) to get it to about 30-35 ibu. Dry hop is optional.

[denny]

I agree you are low on the late hops for an apa. Looking more in blonde territory. I recommend pairing the citra with something. I don't like it solo. Amarillo, cascade, centennial, and simcoe are all good choices.

So How would you guys do a hop schedule for this

The suggestions were magnum for bittering
pairing the citra with cascade for aroma

What about using Amarillo as well  or is that just too much of a muddled/ sim. floral aroma?

Hop schedule example?
 
Well rounded and smooth Bittering,
 fruity + passion fruit+ citrus+orange aroma and  flavor

Denny, I dropped the what but kept the Munich as well.. why drop that if I might ask?


Thank you every one for your suggestions and input...


 



Thanks guys

To tell ya the truth, I was on the fence about the Munich.  You dropped the wheat, so let's call it good!

[2brew559]

I agree you are low on the late hops for an apa. Looking more in blonde territory. I recommend pairing the citra with something. I don't like it solo. Amarillo, cascade, centennial, and simcoe are all good choices.

So How would you guys do a hop schedule for this

The suggestions were magnum for bittering
pairing the citra with cascade for aroma

What about using Amarillo as well  or is that just too much of a muddled/ sim. floral aroma?

Hop schedule example?
 
Well rounded and smooth Bittering,
 fruity + passion fruit+ citrus+orange aroma and  flavor

Denny, I dropped the what but kept the Munich as well.. why drop that if I might ask?


Thank you every one for your suggestions and input...


 



Thanks guys

To tell ya the truth, I was on the fence about the Munich.  You dropped the wheat, so let's call it good!

Denny, I went with your advice and kept everything else
Now to brew this puppy...LOL

[2brew559]

Ok everyone,

SteveTX helped me out so credit goes to him for HOP schedule if its bad..LOL if its good It was all me.. ha ha

Kidding!

Method: All Grain
Style: American Pale Ale   
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)   
Boil Size: 7 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.043 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)   

Pale ale
Original Gravity: 1.055
Final Gravity: 1.013
ABV (standard): 5.51%
IBU (tinseth): 35.36
SRM (morey): 5.83
Fermentables
Amount   Fermentable   PPG   °L   Bill %
9.25 lb   American - Pale 2-Row   37   1.8   90.1%
0.51 lb   American - Caramel / Crystal 40L   34   40   5%
0.51 lb   German - Munich Light   37   6   5%
10.27 lb   Total   
        
Hops  IBU (tinseth):35.36    BU/GU Ratio: .64
Amount   Variety   Type   AA   Use   Time   IBU
0.3 oz   Magnum   Pellet   15   Boil   60 min   16.52
0.5 oz   Citra   Pellet   11   Aroma 5 min   4.03
0.5 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Aroma   5 min   2.56
0.5 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Whirlpool at 150 °F   0 min   4.77 (SEEP FOR 10MINS)
0.5 oz   Citra   Pellet   11   Whirlpool at 150 °F   0 min   7.49 ((SEEP FOR 10MINS)


Flameout Hops Seeping: Seep hops for 10 mins at flame out  170-180F wort
I read somewhere else  to seep at around 120F.?
So I averaged the 120 and the 180 and got 150F, hence this degree

[erockrph]

I would never hop stand at 120F, that's just too low. You want to maximize flavor extraction, but minimize bitterness. My preferred temp is 170F. You get very little bitterness at all at that temp, but extract loads of flavor. I also usually hold it for 30 minutes or so at that temp. You will extract a good amount of flavor in 10 minutes, but the longer you go, the better.

Personally, I'd move all your late hops to the steep. The more you boil hops, the more volatiles you lose.

[BrodyR]

I agree with the simpler malt bill, more hops, push em to late additions.

Cascade and Citra sounds awesome but I have had also had 100% Citra pales that were also awesome. Actually I think Lawsons Sip of Sunshine is close to 100% Citra too and it's an amazing 2xIPA.

For heavy hop aroma APAs I like ½ oz/gallon steeped at 170f for close to an hour and an oz/gallon dry hopped.