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Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« on: August 03, 2015, 04:51:27 PM »
Im a big fan of Spaten Oktoberfest. Having a difficult time finding an all grain clone for it. Anyone find one on the secret interwebs?
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 12:00:24 PM »
I was curious enough to look into this to develop my own recipe.  If I ever were to attempt to clone Spaten Oktoberfest, I think this would come really close:

5 gallons
OG=1.056
ABV=5.9%
IBU=27
SRM=11

6.5 lb German Vienna
3.5 lb German Munich II
9 oz CaraMunich
1.25 oz Hallertau Tradition (6% alpha, 60 minutes)
WLP830 or Wyeast 2206 -- either will work great!

Make a big 3-quart yeast starter a few days in advance.
Single infusion mash about 148 °F for 1 hour.  Pitch and ferment at 50 F for 6 to 8 days, then raise up to 65 F for 2 days for diacetyl rest.  Then lager if desired, bottle or keg as normal.

If you can't lager in the 50s, suggest trying the Wyeast 1007 altbier yeast at about 60-62 F.  Find the coolest corner of your house (basement!?), then you can just place a wet t-shirt on your fermenter with a fan blowing on it gently to reduce fermentation temperature from ambient by about 5 degrees.

In any case, it should taste very good fresh, but should improve even more after 4-5 months lagering in the bottle/keg.

Enjoy.
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 03:52:15 PM »
Thanks. Will give it a try.
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2015, 11:44:28 PM »
I was curious enough to look into this to develop my own recipe.  If I ever were to attempt to clone Spaten Oktoberfest, I think this would come really close:

5 gallons
OG=1.056
ABV=5.9%
IBU=27
SRM=11

6.5 lb German Vienna
3.5 lb German Munich II
9 oz CaraMunich
1.25 oz Hallertau Tradition (6% alpha, 60 minutes)
WLP830 or Wyeast 2206 -- either will work great!

Make a big 3-quart yeast starter a few days in advance.
Single infusion mash about 148 °F for 1 hour.  Pitch and ferment at 50 F for 6 to 8 days, then raise up to 65 F for 2 days for diacetyl rest.  Then lager if desired, bottle or keg as normal.

If you can't lager in the 50s, suggest trying the Wyeast 1007 altbier yeast at about 60-62 F.  Find the coolest corner of your house (basement!?), then you can just place a wet t-shirt on your fermenter with a fan blowing on it gently to reduce fermentation temperature from ambient by about 5 degrees.

In any case, it should taste very good fresh, but should improve even more after 4-5 months lagering in the bottle/keg.

Enjoy.

I know that I saw elsewhere on here that some/most do not like WLP820 for Fest beers. What are its shortcomings? I used it last year for my BCS Oktoberfest and it was loved by all who tried it. It was my first lager, and it did not fully attenuate, but I only missed my FG by 2 points, so that was close enough in the end.  I am in the planning stages to re-brew this this coming weekend and am open to changing to 830(love it in my pilsner)
Frank L.
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2015, 11:52:24 PM »
WLP820 has a very looooong lag time, and is a poor attenuator.  It is less than mediocre and is probably the worst lager yeast on the market, i.e., use any other lager yeast and get better results.
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 03:04:01 AM »
Thanks Dave,  I'm sold
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 04:10:31 PM »
WLP820 has a very looooong lag time, and is a poor attenuator.  It is less than mediocre and is probably the worst lager yeast on the market, i.e., use any other lager yeast and get better results.

Do you think the information/speculation that WLP820 is Weihenstephan 206 is incorrect? I haven't had any problems with it as Wyeast 2206.
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Re: Spaten Oktoberfest clone
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 04:13:14 PM »
Wyeast 2206 is my favorite lager yeast of them all.  Be careful with substitutions between ANY Wyeast and White Labs and other yeast manufacturers -- very often times when they are touted as equivalents, they are anything but.  Wyeast 2206 = my absolute favorite.  Its supposed equivalent, WLP820 = my absolute LEAST favorite.  Conclusion = NOT equivalent!!!!!!!!
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