[robwestcott]

greetings all,

am preparing to brew a partial mash version of the Mashing Pumpkins Saison recipe listed at:

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/mashing-pumpkins-spiced-saison/

10.5 lb (4.76 kg) two row pale malt
0.5 lb (227 g) wheat malt
0.5 lb (227 g) 75 L crystal malt
0.5 lb (227 g) biscuit malt
1.0 lb (0.45 kg) dark brown sugar
1.0 lb (0.45 kg) Libby’s 100% pumpkin (in mash)
5 whole cloves (10 min)
3 cinnamon sticks (10 min)
3 T. (44 mL) nutmeg (10 min)
1.0 oz (28 g) Styrian Goldings pellet hops, 5.4% a.a. (60 min)
0.5 oz (14 g) Czech Saaz pellet hops, 3% a.a. (20 min)
White Labs WLP 565 Saison I ale yeast

...

- subbing in 6pounds of Briess extra light pilsen for 8pounds of the 2-row

and have rec'd a suggestion to cut back a tad on the cloves / cinnamon and nutmeg which i may or may not follow through on.

but i am curious...  re: the brown sugar - at what point would be best to add this ?  toward the end of the boil i am guessing ?

thanks
rob

[Iliff Ave]

I am not sure that it matters when you add the sugar. I personally add it before the boil begins so that I can get it mixed in well and avoid scorching on the bottom of the kettle.

[denny]

I am not sure that it matters when you add the sugar. I personally add it before the boil begins so that I can get it mixed in well and avoid scorching on the bottom of the kettle.

Same here.  You won't get any flavor from the brown sugar, so it doesn't matter much.

[Iliff Ave]

I am not sure that it matters when you add the sugar. I personally add it before the boil begins so that I can get it mixed in well and avoid scorching on the bottom of the kettle.

Same here.  You won't get any flavor from the brown sugar, so it doesn't matter much.

I was going to say the same thing. If you want some flavor you may want to consider molasses.

[robwestcott]

I was going to say the same thing. If you want some flavor you may want to consider molasses.

hmmm...  taking a look, do you think molasses may be a good choice ?  and if so, would i look at the same amount ?  ie: 1pound brown sugar = 1pound molasses ?

[Iliff Ave]

I was going to say the same thing. If you want some flavor you may want to consider molasses.

hmmm...  taking a look, do you think molasses may be a good choice ?  and if so, would i look at the same amount ?  ie: 1pound brown sugar = 1pound molasses ?

From what I understand molasses can be very strong flavored depending on what variety you use. I assume 1# would be too much. I have no experience with it so someone else with more knowledge would need to chime in here.

[denny]

I've used molasses a couple times before deciding I really didn't like it.  I wouldn't go much more than a cup.  Sugar has about 45 ppg, molasses has about 35 ppg.   Adjust accordinglyi f you use it.

[robwestcott]

I've used molasses a couple times before deciding I really didn't like it.  I wouldn't go much more than a cup.  Sugar has about 45 ppg, molasses has about 35 ppg.   Adjust accordinglyi f you use it.

thanks for the input.  much appreciated.

[a10t2]

It does specify dark brown sugar… According to Google that's still only 6.5% molasses, but you might be able to taste it.

[Iliff Ave]

Yeah with that yeast you may not be going for much a flavor contribution from the sugar anyway.

[robwestcott]

Yeah with that yeast you may not be going for much a flavor contribution from the sugar anyway.

one more question since you mention the yeast...  i've used wyeast 3711 many times and have always been happy with the result - personal preference aside, any reason not to sub in 3711 ?

[Iliff Ave]

Yeah with that yeast you may not be going for much a flavor contribution from the sugar anyway.

one more question since you mention the yeast...  i've used wyeast 3711 many times and have always been happy with the result - personal preference aside, any reason not to sub in 3711 ?

Personally, I prefer 3711 however I think using saison yeast in a pumpkin beer is just strange. I am sure it must be good but for some reason in my head I think the flavors would clash.