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Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« on: August 17, 2015, 04:22:57 PM »

Hi everyone and  good morning >>>>Fraking Hot here in Cali!!

Since I received great advice on my Citrus Mistress recipe :).. Can you guys  critique this Blond ale

FYI: You guys should be paid consultants.. BUTafter you give me advice..LOL

This might be slightly hoppier than the  averages I see for blond ales  which are in the ranges of 18-22 or so IBU and low 5% abvs that Ive seen...
My BU/GU ratio is: .48  The Beer style BU/GU charts Ive seen indicated to be around  0.47 for the BU/GU ratio

Grist:
Golden promise: I love the way it taste.. sweet clean and slightly malty
Vienna: for that sweet maltyness but not as strong as Munich
Crystal 10: Give it a slight bit of color and sweetness + body
carapills: Give it some head retention and some slight chewiness
Hops: basically wanted a clean bittering and that citrus, orangees, grapefruit taste+aroma

Method: All Grain
Style: Blonde Ale   
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 5.5 gallons (fermentor volume)   
Boil Size: 7.52 gallons
Boil Gravity: 1.038 (recipe based estimate)
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)   
Original Gravity:1.052
Final Gravity:1.012
ABV (standard) 5.25%
IBU (tinseth): 25.25
SRM (morey): 5.2
Mash Thickness: 1.55
Mash In temp: 152F @60min.

Fermentables
Amount   Fermentable                                    PPG         °L     Bill %
8 lb   United Kingdom - Golden Promise             37         3         81.6%
1 lb   German - Vienna                                     37         4         10.2%
0.55 lb   American - Caramel / Crystal 10L     35          10   5.6%
0.25 lb   American - Carapils (Dextrine Malt)  33          1.8     2.6%
9.8 lb   Total           

Hops
Amount   Variety   Type   AA   Use                           Time                          IBU
0.3 oz   Magnum   Pellet   13.7   Boil                            60 min                   15.77
0.25 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Aroma                    10 min                   2.43
0.2 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   8.9   Aroma                    10 min                   2.48
0.2 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Whirlpool at 170 °F     12 min                    1.91
0.22 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   8.9   Whirlpool at 170 °F     12 min                    2.67
IBU: 25.25 Tinsenth
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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 08:14:39 PM »
Recipe looks great to me!  I think you will get a nice balance of hops and malt from your selections.  I did not see what type of yeast strain you are going to use?  English, American?

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 08:53:37 PM »
Posted by: brewinhard
« on: Today at 01:14:39 PM » Insert Quote


Good question... and I have an answer :)  I'm using wyeast 1056 I like the cleanliness of it at 62-65F so far!

As well as I have a Pale Ale that I brewed up a 1 week ago;  Its into the 2nd week of a 4 week ferm. schedule using same yeast

I figured would be easy to just keep the temps rolling at same temp :)

BUT I am open to suggestions.. :)  as always


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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 08:59:29 PM »
Maybe eliminate the Magnum and go all late hops

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2015, 09:26:06 PM »
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« on: Today at 01:59:29 PM » Insert Quote
Maybe eliminate the Magnum and go all late hops


Ok now your getting tricky on me..LOL..  So you mean; (Im just learning to play around with Hop schedules) 

So Hops schedule would look like this:
Whirlpool Utilization: I use 10% I read it somewhere..LOL (How do you calculate your flame out time, is their a standard typical time?

Original Hop schedule #1
Hops
Amount   Variety   Type   AA   Use                           Time                          IBU
0.3 oz   Magnum   Pellet   13.7   Boil                        60 min                       15.77
0.25 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Aroma                      10 min                        2.43
0.2 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   8.9   Aroma                     10 min                        2.48
0.2 oz   Cascade   Pellet   7   Whirlpool at 170 °F       12 min Flameout          1.91
0.22 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   8.9   Whirlpool at 170 °F   12 min Flameout          2.67
IBU: 25.25 Tinsenth
BU/GU: 0.48


Hops #2
Amount             Variety   Type   AA   Use                     Time                    IBU
0.50 oz   Cascade   Pellet   3.57   Aroma                    15 min                       6.66
0.50 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   4.5   Aroma                      15 min                       8.47
0.50 oz   Cascade   Pellet   3.5  Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min Flameout   4.77
0.50 oz  Amarillo   Pellet   4.5   Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min Flameout    6.06
Total IBU: 25.96
BU/GU ratio: 0.50


OR >>>>>>>>

Hops #3
Amount         Variety   Type   AA   Use                   Time                          IBU
0.25.oz    Magnum    Pellet   3.4     Boil                        20 min                        7.96
0.50 oz   Cascade    Pellet   3.57    Aroma                    5 min                         2.68
0.50 oz   Amarillo    Pellet   4.5    Aroma                      5 min                         3.40
0.50 oz   Cascade   Pellet   3.5    Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min Flameout   4.77
0.50 oz   Amarillo   Pellet   4.5    Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min Flameout    6.06
Total IBU: 24.87
BU/GU ratio: 0.47



So would this still have some bittering but be smooth???
« Last Edit: August 17, 2015, 10:48:28 PM by 2brew559 »
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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2015, 11:29:25 PM »
It will still have bittering but that bettering may be perceived as smoother.  Blonde ale isn't really bitter- dropping the 20 minute addition on option 3 and upping the other additions might be the way to go.  Keep in mind you snot need to please some random guy (me) on the forum.  FWIW I like all late (less than ten minutes) hops in a blonde ale but YMMV

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2015, 11:36:18 PM »
Posted by: greatplainsbrewer
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thanks for the advice..At first i thought you called me "snot"..LOL

I was like  he wants  fight over hop schedules.. hee hee  :D

I do appreciate your  expertise.  as Im just getting a handle on the Hops usages... so many variations hurts the brain..LOL


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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2015, 11:50:07 PM »
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It will still have bittering but that bettering may be perceived as smoother.  Blonde ale isn't really bitter- dropping the 20 minute addition on option 3 and upping the other additions might be the way to go.  Keep in mind you snot need to please some random guy (me) on the forum.  FWIW I like all late (less than ten minutes) hops in a blonde ale but YMMV


Ok so Hop schedule #3 revised (NO MAGNUM Hop)
Hops
Amount   Variety   AA        Use                   TiME                   IBU
0.5 oz   Cascade   Pellet              Aroma                      15 min                       6.66
0.5 oz   Amarillo   Pellet           Aroma                      15 min                       8.47
0.5 oz   Cascade   Pellet         Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min FLAMEOUT       4.77
0.5 oz   Amarillo   Pellet           Whirlpool at 170 °F      12 min FLAMEOUT       6.06
IBU: 25.96
BU/GU ratio: 0.50
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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 12:15:43 AM »
If you care about style, don't go with too much hop flavor. If you do, your essentially making a very light colored apa. I don't care about style, so I would give it a whirl without thinking twice.

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 01:31:44 AM »
Here is the Blonde I made this summer for our RV trip. You can find the original post recipe(I did not create it) in recipes as Blondie's Ale. It was my first attempt at a Blonde and it was great at the end of every long day of driving: light, refreshing, and easy drinking. Pretty simplistic grist, single bittering charge with low IBUs. Quick turnaround time from start to finish. Yours looks good as well, but no other experience with the style for me to add anything further


BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 2015 Blondie's Ale full version
Brewer: Frank
Asst Brewer:
Style: Blonde Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.14 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.24 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal   
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.045 SG
Estimated Color: 4.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 18.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
1.58 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   1        -             
1.50 ml               Lactic Acid (Mash 60.0 mins)             Water Agent   2        -             
1.43 g                Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   3        -             
1.37 g                Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins)      Water Agent   4        -             
1.25 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   5        -             
1.13 g                Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   6        -             
1.08 g                Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins)      Water Agent   7        -             
8 lbs 6.0 oz          Rahr 2 Row (1.9 SRM)                     Grain         8        94.1 %       
5.0 oz                Honey Malt (25.0 SRM)                    Grain         9        3.5 %         
3.4 oz                Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)                  Grain         10       2.4 %         
1.00 oz               Willamette [5.50 %] - Boil 53.0 min      Hop           11       18.7 IBUs     
1.00 tsp              Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 mins)              Fining        12       -             
1.00 Items            Immersion Chiller (Boil 15.0 mins)       Other         13       -             
1.0 pkg               Safale American  (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)  Yeast         14       -             


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 14.4 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 19.00 qt of water at 156.8 F        150.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun , 3.71gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:


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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2015, 01:56:11 AM »

If you care about style, don't go with too much hop flavor. If you do, your essentially making a very light colored apa. I don't care about style, so I would give it a whirl without thinking twice.
I make hoppy blondes a lot. They are delicious.  I have tried entering them in BJCP contests. No luck. Entered as a blonde they have too much hop flavor and aroma. Entered as APA they are too small, not bitter enough, and not enough hop flavor and aroma. Conundrum. But, they sure do taste good.

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2015, 02:32:51 AM »
Here is the Blonde I made this summer for our RV trip. You can find the original post recipe(I did not create it) in recipes as Blondie's Ale. It was my first attempt at a Blonde and it was great at the end of every long day of driving: light, refreshing, and easy drinking. Pretty simplistic grist, single bittering charge with low IBUs. Quick turnaround time from start to finish. Yours looks good as well, but no other experience with the style for me to add anything further


BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: 2015 Blondie's Ale full version
Brewer: Frank
Asst Brewer:
Style: Blonde Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 7.14 gal
Post Boil Volume: 6.24 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.50 gal   
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.045 SG
Estimated Color: 4.3 SRM
Estimated IBU: 18.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 81.8 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
1.58 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   1        -             
1.50 ml               Lactic Acid (Mash 60.0 mins)             Water Agent   2        -             
1.43 g                Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   3        -             
1.37 g                Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins)      Water Agent   4        -             
1.25 g                Calcium Chloride (Mash 60.0 mins)        Water Agent   5        -             
1.13 g                Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 mins Water Agent   6        -             
1.08 g                Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Mash 60.0 mins)      Water Agent   7        -             
8 lbs 6.0 oz          Rahr 2 Row (1.9 SRM)                     Grain         8        94.1 %       
5.0 oz                Honey Malt (25.0 SRM)                    Grain         9        3.5 %         
3.4 oz                Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM)                  Grain         10       2.4 %         
1.00 oz               Willamette [5.50 %] - Boil 53.0 min      Hop           11       18.7 IBUs     
1.00 tsp              Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 mins)              Fining        12       -             
1.00 Items            Immersion Chiller (Boil 15.0 mins)       Other         13       -             
1.0 pkg               Safale American  (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)  Yeast         14       -             


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Light Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 8 lbs 14.4 oz
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Name              Description                             Step Temperat Step Time     
Mash In           Add 19.00 qt of water at 156.8 F        150.0 F       60 min       

Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (Drain mash tun , 3.71gal) of 168.0 F water
Notes:


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Thanks, for sharing your experience and your recipe Looks and I bet is as tasty as you describe it! ...I formulated the one I posted originally with 3% honey malt. Just like yours
too give it that slight honey sweetness..  But then I decided to take it out and do it on another batch so I could see how it compares.. : ) will have to share it with you everyone!
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2015, 02:42:20 AM »

If you care about style, don't go with too much hop flavor. If you do, your essentially making a very light colored apa. I don't care about style, so I would give it a whirl without thinking twice.
I make hoppy blondes a lot. They are delicious.  I have tried entering them in BJCP contests. No luck. Entered as a blonde they have too much hop flavor and aroma. Entered as APA they are too small, not bitter enough, and not enough hop flavor and aroma. Conundrum. But, they sure do taste good.

Sorry to hear that you didnt win!  But at least from your description i bet your recipe is kickazz! Bet its goooood!
Gonna have to share some time

I think this tim,  I'm gonna do as most have suggested, brew it as I have it scheduled for hops#3 revised and see how it comes out. Then next batch I will go by the style "rules" and see how that compares :)

Tomorrow gonna run over to my brew shop here in Sacramento, CA. And get my Blondie so I can brew this Saturday maybe :)

Thanks again :)

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2015, 02:49:43 AM »


If you care about style, don't go with too much hop flavor. If you do, your essentially making a very light colored apa. I don't care about style, so I would give it a whirl without thinking twice.
I make hoppy blondes a lot. They are delicious.  I have tried entering them in BJCP contests. No luck. Entered as a blonde they have too much hop flavor and aroma. Entered as APA they are too small, not bitter enough, and not enough hop flavor and aroma. Conundrum. But, they sure do taste good.

Sorry to hear that you didnt win!  But at least from your description i bet your recipe is kickazz! Bet its goooood!
Gonna have to share some time

I think this tim,  I'm gonna do as most have suggested, brew it as I have it scheduled for hops#3 revised and see how it comes out. Then next batch I will go by the style "rules" and see how that compares :)

Tomorrow gonna run over to my brew shop here in Sacramento, CA. And get my Blondie so I can brew this Saturday maybe :)

Thanks again :)
My recipe is similar to your grain bill minus the carapils. Sometimes minus the Vienna.

For hops I do all late hops about 20 IBU (your 25 is probably fine). I usually stick with 1 hop variety.

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Re: Blond Ale Recipe Critique and Suggestions
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2015, 03:10:07 AM »
Looks a little hoppy for how I like my blonde ales. The recipe Frank posted is just as delicious as it sounds(I should know it's my recipe ). +1 to honey malt being in the grist, Nice subtle sweetness.
« Last Edit: August 18, 2015, 03:12:04 AM by IMperry9 »
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