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Do you think I need a starter?
« on: August 20, 2015, 11:24:02 PM »
I'm brewing a 1.035 bitter, 5.5 gallons in fermenter.
I have a smack pack manufacture date 7-18-15.
I have read small beers with fresh yeast one doesn't need to make a starter.
I know this is a small beer but does the yeast considered "fresh"?
Brewers Friend yeast calc. says I need a one liter starter.

Cells Available:   
77 billion cells
Pitch Rate As-Is:   
0.42M cells / mL / °P
Target Pitch Rate Cells:   
137 billion cells
Difference:   
-60 billion cells


Starter Size (L)   Gravity (1.xxx)   Growth Model and Aeration   
   1      1.036                         C.White shaken
DME Required:   
3.6 oz, 102.7 g
Growth Rate:   
1.2
Inoculation Rate: 77.0M cells/mL
Ending Cell Count:   
170 billion cells
Resulting Pitch Rate:   
0.93M cells / mL / °P
Starter meets desired pitching rate!

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2015, 11:37:44 PM »
Should you make a starter? - sure
Would I make a starter? - most likely not

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2015, 12:00:24 AM »
Tell your yeast you are putting them ina 5.5 gallon starter.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2015, 12:05:11 AM »

Tell your yeast you are putting them ina 5.5 gallon starter.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2015, 12:05:29 AM »
I'd probably use just the smack pack for that too, given the freshness and the 1.035 OG.
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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2015, 12:13:40 AM »
I just got an image of Jim as Gene Hackman in Hoosiers. The line about not talking about the next step is oddly appropriate.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2015, 12:17:01 AM »
I just got an image of Jim as Gene Hackman in Hoosiers. The line about not talking about the next step is oddly appropriate.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2015, 01:14:49 AM »
No.  A few years back Neva (sp?) of White Labs put on a presentation at NHC.  Her recommendation was not to make a starter smaller than 1 L because you are essentially trading very health yeast for more less healthy yeast.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2015, 12:04:26 PM »
Tell your yeast you are putting them ina 5.5 gallon starter.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2015, 01:28:08 PM »
Tell your yeast you are putting them ina 5.5 gallon starter.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2015, 01:47:04 PM »
Skip the starter.  Like Jim said.  :)
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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2015, 02:38:13 PM »
British Brewers under pitch by U.S. standards. They want the esters from some stress on the yeast. One vial will be fine.
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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2015, 02:53:24 PM »
British Brewers under pitch by U.S. standards. They want the esters from some stress on the yeast. One vial will be fine.

+1 agreed with everyone;  i'm using one pouch no starter of pure pitch wlp002 in my eng pale ale, 1.052 OG.

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2015, 08:38:05 PM »
I have to agree with everyone on not doing a starter.  Heck, your est OG is lower than the OG on my average starter anyway. 

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Re: Do you think I need a starter?
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2015, 06:02:58 PM »
Thanks for the input.
I ended pitching without a starter.
My OG ended up at 1.043.
Ever since I started using BeerSmith my gravities have been high.
I could never figure out how to change the mash efficiancy. But I have it figured out now. Brewed a second batch and hit my gravities dead on.
I don't understand why Beer Smith can't just let you enter a mash efficiancy in the mash profile. I had to work backwards changing brew house efficiancy until my predicted mash efficiancy matched what I am actually getting.
I also think the way it figures batch sparge water additions is confusing.
Sometimes it gives me something like

◯ Batch sparge with 4 steps (Drain mash tun , 1.52gal, 1.52gal, 1.52gal) of 168.0 F water

◯ Add water to achieve boil volume of 6.98 gal

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