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Quote from: alestateyall on September 02, 2015, 09:33:15 amDid either beer have:Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint. PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity. I agree. Kolsch is not blonde ale or helles. It should have that subtle fruit/wine thing.
Did either beer have:Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint. PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.
The only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.
Quote from: majorvices on September 02, 2015, 08:40:54 amThe only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.
I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.
Quote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 amI do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not!
Quote from: AmandaK on September 03, 2015, 06:40:42 amQuote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 amI do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not! Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic
Quote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:41:38 amQuote from: AmandaK on September 03, 2015, 06:40:42 amQuote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 amI do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not! Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic No, it's a helles with sinamar.
Quote from: Steve in TX on September 03, 2015, 06:48:40 amQuote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:41:38 amQuote from: AmandaK on September 03, 2015, 06:40:42 amQuote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 amI do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Kinda like how schwarzbier is apparently a lagered porter. Dear 80-90% of comp entrants: it's not! Totally! That's more like a Session Baltic No, it's a helles with sinamar.Ha. I was referring to the layered porter comment. I'd say traditional Schwarzbier has a little more hop character than Helles, but yeah. I'll admit that my Schwarzbier (May the Schwarzbier With You) has some chocolate character, intentionally.
Quote from: alestateyall on September 02, 2015, 09:33:15 amDid either beer have:Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint. PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Quote from: HoosierBrew on September 02, 2015, 10:15:52 amQuote from: majorvices on September 02, 2015, 08:40:54 amThe only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.I like that range for 029 as well!
Quote from: brulosopher on September 03, 2015, 06:24:02 amQuote from: alestateyall on September 02, 2015, 09:33:15 amDid either beer have:Aroma: "A pleasant, subtle fruit aroma from fermentation (apple, cherry or pear)"Flavor: "an almost imperceptible fruity sweetness"Overall impression: "delicately-balanced beer usually with a very subtle fruit and hop character."I quoted above from BJCP 2015. I find a lot of Kölsch's don't have the subtle fruit flavor and aroma. I prefer Kölsch with that fruit character. I like subtle flavors like this that I can concentrate on when drinking a pint. PS. I have a lot of people tell me Kölsch is not supposed to be fruity.I do think many have come to think of Kölsch as a Helles fermented with ale yeast, which it is not.Quote from: HoosierBrew on September 02, 2015, 10:15:52 amQuote from: majorvices on September 02, 2015, 08:40:54 amThe only thing I will say is I prefer the WY kolsch strain to be fermented a little cooler than you did. Other wise nice comparison.+1. I like 58-60F for 2565.I like that range for 029 as well!I do too but you have to be careful because I have had it stall out if you don't raise it up about 62 before it finishes. But I start them both out at 56-58.
I do too but you have to be careful because I have had it stall out if you don't raise it up about 62 before it finishes. But I start them both out at 56-58.