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evil_morty

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #315 on: October 13, 2015, 02:45:07 PM »
what can I say..im an old juvenile.

anyway,IME 833 produces sulfur first 48hrs or so, then drops off significantly. nothing residual in finished product.

it's a yeast with a very distinctive flavor profile for sure.  it's one of the reasons I suspect that I really like the couple of ayinger beers I've tried.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #316 on: October 13, 2015, 02:50:35 PM »
what can I say..im an old juvenile.

anyway,IME 833 produces sulfur first 48hrs or so, then drops off significantly. nothing residual in finished product.

it's a yeast with a very distinctive flavor profile for sure.  it's one of the reasons I suspect that I really like the couple of ayinger beers I've tried.

Most likely due to the decoction mash.  8)

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #317 on: October 13, 2015, 02:54:01 PM »
what can I say..im an old juvenile.

anyway,IME 833 produces sulfur first 48hrs or so, then drops off significantly. nothing residual in finished product.

it's a yeast with a very distinctive flavor profile for sure.  it's one of the reasons I suspect that I really like the couple of ayinger beers I've tried.

Most likely due to the decoction mash.  8)

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #318 on: October 13, 2015, 03:08:27 PM »
So as I'm reading all this shaken not stirred commentary, I guess Bond had it right all along. Never will I stir going forward!. I have two homemade stir plates for sale on the cheap! Trade for a good vodka? Great info S.c and others!

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #319 on: October 13, 2015, 03:23:29 PM »
So as I'm reading all this shaken not stirred commentary, I guess Bond had it right all along. Never will I stir going forward!. I have two homemade stir plates for sale on the cheap! Trade for a good vodka? Great info S.c and others!

I'm not sure I'd ditch my stir plates just yet!  I say try it yourself and make sure you are happy with the results.  Assuming this batch I'm making comes out reasonably good I'll try it again with an ale yeast (probably 1450).  If that goes well this could become my MO or the very least another tool in the toolbox to use when I don't have time to make multiple steps of starter ahead of time.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #320 on: October 13, 2015, 03:26:08 PM »
I'm definitely a try and see. Thats how I got to where I am now.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #321 on: October 13, 2015, 03:27:48 PM »
For my latest lager (10 gallons), I made two 3-liter starters.  Since I have only one stir plate, I used pure O2 on the other one for 90 seconds before pitching the yeast.  The amount of final yeast mass after crashing was about the same.  May be worth further investigation... I didn't do a cell count or methylene blue stain for viability.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #322 on: October 13, 2015, 03:42:16 PM »
what can I say..im an old juvenile.

anyway,IME 833 produces sulfur first 48hrs or so, then drops off significantly. nothing residual in finished product.

it's a yeast with a very distinctive flavor profile for sure.  it's one of the reasons I suspect that I really like the couple of ayinger beers I've tried.

Most likely due to the decoction mash.  8)

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #323 on: October 13, 2015, 04:22:47 PM »
What is everyone using for their starter bottle? As our batch sizes and gravity's vary, I think a 5L bottle would suffice. 5L media bottles are not cheap.

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« Reply #324 on: October 13, 2015, 04:31:37 PM »
What is everyone using for their starter bottle? As our batch sizes and gravity's vary, I think a 5L bottle would suffice. 5L media bottles are not cheap.

since I make 10 gal batches I made a 2L starter.  I used a 5 gal better bottle for this.  A 3 gal better bottle might not be a bad option if I had to buy something.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #325 on: October 13, 2015, 04:32:49 PM »
What is everyone using for their starter bottle? As our batch sizes and gravity's vary, I think a 5L bottle would suffice. 5L media bottles are not cheap.

1 gal. glass jug, like from apple juice.
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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #326 on: October 13, 2015, 04:42:05 PM »

What is everyone using for their starter bottle? As our batch sizes and gravity's vary, I think a 5L bottle would suffice. 5L media bottles are not cheap.

1 gal. glass jug, like from apple juice.
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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #327 on: October 13, 2015, 04:58:47 PM »
My latest experience with the way I do it. (Oxygenate it like it owes you money)
I brewed a 1.058 APA and a 1.052 Stout  both with Wy1056 on 10/6. Today, 10/13, the APA is at 1.010 and 4.4 ph.  The stout is at 1.012 and 4.2 ph. They both still have a 1/4" of krausen, so now I'm just waiting for that to drop.

These are my second trial of this yeast method. The first trial was not as quick to drop gravity, but I built those starters the night before so I think I was at the tail end of high krausen. These latest were built morning of brew day and pitched at high krausen 8 hrs later. I think that is the difference im seeing.
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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #328 on: October 13, 2015, 05:55:49 PM »
1 gal. glass jug, like from apple juice.

A 5L media bottle is a want, not a need.  I used a one U.S. gallon glass jug for a very long time.    A 2L starter can be made using two one U.S. gallon glass jugs.  The culture is split between the jugs.

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Re: New starter procedure trial
« Reply #329 on: October 13, 2015, 06:20:37 PM »
here's one for you Mark- I have what will be 4wk old wlp833 slurry, and want to make a non stir plate starter for 1.048OG lager.

what would you do? slurry is thick, with very little hop/break sediment.
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