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New Guy And Flavor Profile
« on: October 01, 2015, 11:00:08 PM »
Hey Everyone,

New to home-brewing. Finally after a year of contemplating, got an actually kit from Northern Brewer. I'm pretty excited to get the ball rolling and start with a couple extract kits. I got the Deluxe 2-stage fermentation kit from NB and the kit was pretty well stacked with equipment. I'm pretty satisfied with the customer service and the speed they completed everything with.

So I have a ton of free time on Monday and there is the marked FIRST brew day here at the house.

My question is this:

The kits are fantastic and all but I'd like to learn how to build my own flavor profiles etc. Are there any resources which help someone starting out figure out malts, hops, yeast to use etc.

Thanks a ton for any help, I'm really digging all the info on here.
Shawn

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2015, 11:09:26 PM »
Download the free version of BrewSmith software and play around with creating recipes. It also comes with--if you purchase it--a data-base of recipes that you can use as a guide. You may also want to look at the BJCP (Beer Judge Certification Program) style guidelines which will outline flavor, aroma, mouthfeel, and ingredients  that are traditionally used--or not used--in each style. Check out Jamil Zainasheff's "Brewing Classic Styles" and Ray Daniel's "Designing Great Beers" books.

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2015, 11:16:58 PM »
The only way to build your flavor palate is by experience. I'd recommend taking a proven/known recipe (Brewing Classic Styles is great for this), and brewing it a few times making one change at a time (like swapping out 1 hop or malt variety) and seeing how that changes the recipe.

Also, the ingredients section of How To Brew is a decent primer to at least understand what the various ingredients are.

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2015, 11:34:15 PM »
Thanks, I checked out the Beer Smith program. Pretty sweet! I'll have to look into a bit more, I also liked how you can convert All-Grain recipes.

I'm also going to check out a local group next week. I just moved down to Hyannis MA and Cape Cod Beer is within a bike ride away. I checked out the brewery a few weeks ago, they had a cool vibe there.

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2015, 05:14:04 PM »
Thanks, I checked out the Beer Smith program. Pretty sweet! I'll have to look into a bit more, I also liked how you can convert All-Grain recipes.

I'm also going to check out a local group next week. I just moved down to Hyannis MA and Cape Cod Beer is within a bike ride away. I checked out the brewery a few weeks ago, they had a cool vibe there.

It's kind of a hike, but if you can get up to Middleboro, check out our homebrew club. You'll be immediately plugged into a world of knowledge and expertise, oh, and great beer, good guys, and fun. PM me if you're interested.
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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2015, 06:24:19 PM »
Designing Great Beers is an excellent resource.  It's one I refer back to often, whether I'm trying a new style or trying to improve one I've brewed before.

But, no amount of reading can compensate for actually brewing.  Brewing the same beer and tweaking something each time as erockrph suggests is a great way to learn.

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2015, 09:46:05 PM »
Frank, sent you a PM man.

Also, thanks everyone for the advice. Guess I need to just hop out there and brew something :-)

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 06:35:24 PM »
What they said^^

Also, something that helped me early on was to get a copy of one of the clone brews recipe books.  Even if they are not exact, you can relate those recipes to commercial beers that you have already probably tasted.  As you read more recipes, you can get some ideas of what the ingredients can contribute to your finished beers.  As they said above, there is no substitute for actually brewing the beers yourself, but having a bit of a basis for comparison can help at least point you in the right general direction.

Oh, and Designing Great Beers is showing its age but is still good.  Hopefully someday Ray will update it but I think he's just too busy with the Cicerone thing to actually do it.  Too bad.

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 08:28:36 PM »
The only way to build your flavor palate is by experience. I'd recommend taking a proven/known recipe (Brewing Classic Styles is great for this), and brewing it a few times making one change at a time (like swapping out 1 hop or malt variety) and seeing how that changes the recipe.

Also, the ingredients section of How To Brew is a decent primer to at least understand what the various ingredients are.

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+1 totally agree... When I first started i got the same recipes 2 or 3 times in a row and would make small changes- its inevitable that you will have a beer get infected. Dump it, sanitize better next time and keep on keepin on!

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Re: New Guy And Flavor Profile
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 09:25:02 PM »
I think a really godd method to build your knowledge of flavors is to download a copy of the BJCP style guidelines.  Look through them for a beer you like and read about what goes into it.  Or do it the way I did....read the guidelines until you read about a beer that sounds good to you, then go get a bottle.  Pour yourself a glass of the beer and sit down with the guidelines again.  As you drink the berr, read the description in the guidelines and look at the ingredients that go into the beer.  Try to imagine what each one of them brings to the flavor party.  Then try to formulate a recipe for that beer based on what you read and your "taste imagination".
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 11:34:29 PM »
I agree about reading about clone brews, except I'd caution you not to buy the book "Clone Brews", or " Beer Captured".  Total crap.  Instead, listen to the Can You Brew It podcast or check out the discussions about commercial beer recipes in the forums.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 11:59:38 PM »
...listen to the Can You Brew It podcast or check out the discussions about commercial beer recipes in the forums.

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This is what I did, plus Brewing Classic Styles.  I still reference these from time to time.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2015, 12:00:54 AM »
I think a really godd method to build your knowledge of flavors is to download a copy of the BJCP style guidelines.  Look through them for a beer you like and read about what goes into it.  Or do it the way I did....read the guidelines until you read about a beer that sounds good to you, then go get a bottle.  Pour yourself a glass of the beer and sit down with the guidelines again.  As you drink the berr, read the description in the guidelines and look at the ingredients that go into the beer.  Try to imagine what each one of them brings to the flavor party.  Then try to formulate a recipe for that beer based on what you read and your "taste imagination".

+1

I still do this quite often.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2015, 12:48:09 AM »
I think a really godd method to build your knowledge of flavors is to download a copy of the BJCP style guidelines.  Look through them for a beer you like and read about what goes into it.  Or do it the way I did....read the guidelines until you read about a beer that sounds good to you, then go get a bottle.  Pour yourself a glass of the beer and sit down with the guidelines again.  As you drink the berr, read the description in the guidelines and look at the ingredients that go into the beer.  Try to imagine what each one of them brings to the flavor party.  Then try to formulate a recipe for that beer based on what you read and your "taste imagination".

+1

I still do this quite often.

+2, especially for comp beers. And I agree with using BCS as a reference to brew a style for the first time. It's by no means the 'be all end all' for recipes but the recipes are solid and give a base to sub in/out ingredients one at a time and learn about them.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2015, 08:25:16 PM »
Looks like I'll be opening some books up :-)

Thanks for the advice everyone.