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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2015, 02:52:58 pm »
While the pumpkin beer season descends upon us (I saw an entire aisle dedicated to pumpkin beer offerings at my local beer store), I would note that at a competition I judged at last weekend, I was advised that not one pumpkin beer was submitted to the Herb Spice Vegetable beer category.  The judges for that category were pleased.
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« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2015, 02:54:27 pm »
No pumpkin peach ale?  I was sure pumpkin peach was going to be all the rage this season.
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« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2015, 03:00:17 pm »
I have always said the way to make pumpkin beer was to get a can of Libby's pumpkin, just one, pull it out of the cupboard and show it to the wort. Then return it to the cupboard for next year's batch of beer.
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2015, 03:49:20 pm »
I still like pumpkin beer and or pumpkin spiced beer.

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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2015, 05:10:02 pm »
have you ever tasted pumpkin meat, raw, uncooked, and unspiced?

kinda bland to me.

+1 . everything we eat labeled "pumpkin"  - pie, cookies, bread, etc gets 99% of it s flavor from the spices we now associate with "pumpkin".
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2015, 06:09:43 am »
Nice exbeeriment  Malcolm.  I occasionally like a fall seasonal beer but don't see myself making one anytime soon, but still good to know it can be simpler than I  thought
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2015, 06:49:44 am »
have you ever tasted pumpkin meat, raw, uncooked, and unspiced?

kinda bland to me.

+1 . everything we eat labeled "pumpkin"  - pie, cookies, bread, etc gets 99% of it s flavor from the spices we now associate with "pumpkin".
I did make pumpkin pancakes once that I thought the actual pumpkin gave a lot of flavor to. I should make those again soon, getting to be the perfect time of year.
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2015, 06:54:50 am »

Good job, Malcolm, and it's nice to have my own perceptions confirmed.
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2015, 09:24:20 am »
have you ever tasted pumpkin meat, raw, uncooked, and unspiced?

kinda bland to me.

+1 . everything we eat labeled "pumpkin"  - pie, cookies, bread, etc gets 99% of it s flavor from the spices we now associate with "pumpkin".
I did make pumpkin pancakes once that I thought the actual pumpkin gave a lot of flavor to. I should make those again soon, getting to be the perfect time of year.

Ah man, I totally forgot about pumpkin pancakes. I had them once and, if I recall, they were pretty damn delicious.

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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2015, 10:20:35 am »
My local makes a wildly popular pumpkin beer. One year they decided to not use the pumpkin in the recipe and they had one guy comment he really couldn't taste the pumpkin so they put the pumpkin back in the recipe. The amount they use...drumroll...1 lb per barrel. Yes, that is right, one single pound per barrel (32 gallons) or wort. They put it in there basically to say they have it in there.
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2015, 11:33:26 am »
My local makes a wildly popular pumpkin beer. One year they decided to not use the pumpkin in the recipe and they had one guy comment he really couldn't taste the pumpkin so they put the pumpkin back in the recipe. The amount they use...drumroll...1 lb per barrel. Yes, that is right, one single pound per barrel (32 gallons) or wort. They put it in there basically to say they have it in there.

would be curious if that guy was satisfied on the new batch?
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2015, 12:22:58 pm »
My local makes a wildly popular pumpkin beer. One year they decided to not use the pumpkin in the recipe and they had one guy comment he really couldn't taste the pumpkin so they put the pumpkin back in the recipe. The amount they use...drumroll...1 lb per barrel. Yes, that is right, one single pound per barrel (32 gallons) or wort. They put it in there basically to say they have it in there.

would be curious if that guy was satisfied on the new batch?
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2015, 12:47:01 pm »
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Of the 40 participants, only 17 (p=0.11) were able to correctly identify the unique beer in the triangle test

Can anyone comment on what a typical threshold for significance is in sensory testing? Any food scientists in the house? p<0.05 seems like a pretty tough standard to me, especially with relatively small sample sizes, and several of these Xbmts have been flirting with the p<0.1 range.
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« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2015, 03:48:29 pm »
For those of us who had statistics so long ago that there were no desktop computers, can you explain the symbol and the formula for this "statistical significance" (p less than .05, for example)?  Near as I can tell, it comes out to about half...which leads to Sean's question about what level is significant, whether statistically relevant or just cuz it means something that can be considered reasonably dependable to base conclusions upon.
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Re: It's The Great Pumpkin xBmt: Does Pumpkin Make A Difference? | exBEERiment
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2015, 04:31:54 pm »
For those of us who had statistics so long ago that there were no desktop computers, can you explain the symbol and the formula for this "statistical significance" (p less than .05, for example)?  Near as I can tell, it comes out to about half...which leads to Sean's question about what level is significant, whether statistically relevant or just cuz it means something that can be considered reasonably dependable to base conclusions upon.

I'll try…

The thing that makes a triangle test so statistically useful is that it's binary; each participant either picks correctly, or doesn't. It's a coin toss, and if you toss a coin enough times you can collect valid statistics about how likely you are to get various combinations of heads/tails. The probability that a given heads/tails combination will come up for a fair coin is the p-value. In this case we're saying that, for something not to be due to chance, there has to be only a 5% probability that it occurred by chance, and therefore a 95% probability of it being an actual result. In the case of a triangle test, we'd expect people to guess correctly about 1/3 of the time, and so, as you noted, once the numbers of correct responses gets to something more like 1/2, it becomes significant. Exactly what that fraction needs to be for it to be significant depends on the desired p-value.

This is called a binomial distribution, by the way, and isn't limited to equally weighted outcomes or true/false outcomes, they just make the math much easier.

Edit: In the hard sciences (or at least in my experience), p<0.05 is generally acceptable for publication of empirical data. p<0.01 is generally desirable and would be accepted for publication pretty much anywhere.
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