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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #255 on: December 15, 2015, 03:39:20 AM »
So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #256 on: December 15, 2015, 03:51:30 AM »

I wonder...can German home brewers located in Germany recreate "it"?

Are there any Americans who studied in Germany who can create" it" when they apply their learning back in the US? Way back someone mentioned a couple breweries they thought had "it"... Has anybody asked them what they believe" it" to be,  and if they have recommendations for home brewers trying to capture that essence?

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #257 on: December 15, 2015, 01:11:02 PM »

So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #258 on: December 15, 2015, 04:08:01 PM »

So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #259 on: December 15, 2015, 04:11:11 PM »


So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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Vienna IPA          O'Fest
Dort
Mead                 
Cider                         
Ger'merican Blonde
Amber Ale
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Ger Pils
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #260 on: December 15, 2015, 05:22:37 PM »


So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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I'm giving carapils another shot today. Haven't used any in probably two years.
Helles Exportbier
81% Best Pils
16% Best Vienna
3% Carapils
148F for 90 min

The last batch was the three step Hochkurz. Tasty but kinda on the thin side. Added carapils and went with single infusion.

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #261 on: December 15, 2015, 05:24:27 PM »



So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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I'm giving carapils another shot today. Haven't used any in probably two years.
Helles Exportbier
81% Best Pils
16% Best Vienna
3% Carapils
148F for 90 min

The last batch was the three step Hochkurz. Tasty but kinda on the thin side. Added carapils and went with single infusion.
That looks like a good one


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Serving:        In Process:
Vienna IPA          O'Fest
Dort
Mead                 
Cider                         
Ger'merican Blonde
Amber Ale
Next:
Ger Pils
O'Fest

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #262 on: December 15, 2015, 05:33:52 PM »



So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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I'm giving carapils another shot today. Haven't used any in probably two years.
Helles Exportbier
81% Best Pils
16% Best Vienna
3% Carapils
148F for 90 min

The last batch was the three step Hochkurz. Tasty but kinda on the thin side. Added carapils and went with single infusion.
That looks like a good one


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I sure like the style. I'm leaning toward dennys opinion on Munich Helles, not so sure it's a style that trips my trigger. Pilsner kinda pushes my limit on bittering. This thing is right between the two. I give it about 25 IBUs of German Magnum at 60 and two ounces of Mittelfruh at 5.

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #263 on: December 15, 2015, 06:54:27 PM »
Jim, which yeast are you using for this? Dont see it in the last couple posts and dont want to relive the earlier pages
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #264 on: December 15, 2015, 07:13:49 PM »
Jim, which yeast are you using for this? Dont see it in the last couple posts and dont want to relive the earlier pages
Wyeast 2352 Munich II, I've fallen in love with that stuff. Just my luck it's a seasonal. Hopefully I can keep this latest pitch going for a while. I might have to get a job sweeping floor at wyeast otherwise.

It thrives as a high krausen pitch at 52F. It responds very well to the Marshall/Kai/Narziss quick method. Reaching 50% attenuation in about 4 days, then I bump it to 68 ambient for a few days, then 68 actual. Its done in 7-10 days and ready to crash. Drops brilliant. No fruity, just a very slight and pleasant sulphur note when warmed. Seems to do great malty or hoppy. Fantastic house lager yeast I think.
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #265 on: December 15, 2015, 07:49:53 PM »
Sounds great Jim! Might be able to still find a pack, but not getting to the store anytime soon, so we will see
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Fermenting: Ringler Pilsner (thanx Ron)
Conditioning:
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #266 on: December 15, 2015, 07:53:09 PM »
Sounds great Jim! Might be able to still find a pack, but not getting to the store anytime soon, so we will see
You got me thinking and I'm sending my lhbs an email to get me 4 more before they shut it off

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #267 on: December 15, 2015, 08:55:25 PM »


So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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I'm giving carapils another shot today. Haven't used any in probably two years.
Helles Exportbier
81% Best Pils
16% Best Vienna
3% Carapils
148F for 90 min

The last batch was the three step Hochkurz. Tasty but kinda on the thin side. Added carapils and went with single infusion.

Looks delish. The pale lager that I have finishing up is very similar

83% pilsner
15% Vienna
2% melanoidin

W34/70

sterling and crystal hops for ~25 IBUs
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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #268 on: December 15, 2015, 11:54:01 PM »


So did you go 85/15 Pilsner to kolsch malt? I assume it is somewhere in these 20 pages but I am lazy...
77%pils
15% kolsch
8% carapils


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that's a lot of carapils - I'm wondering if that is your culprit more than the water profile you chose.

Went off memory. Opened recipe it was 80/15/5%

5% = .5lb


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I'm giving carapils another shot today. Haven't used any in probably two years.
Helles Exportbier
81% Best Pils
16% Best Vienna
3% Carapils
148F for 90 min

The last batch was the three step Hochkurz. Tasty but kinda on the thin side. Added carapils and went with single infusion.

Looks delish. The pale lager that I have finishing up is very similar

83% pilsner
15% Vienna
2% melanoidin

W34/70

sterling and crystal hops for ~25 IBUs
I need to try some crystal. I haven't yet.

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Re: Chasing the perfect Munich Helles
« Reply #269 on: December 16, 2015, 12:20:26 AM »
I need to try some crystal. I haven't yet.

They're really nice, you'll like them a lot. I'm hoping to brew a helles soon, too. Wanting to try my hand at lowering pH in the kettle, just to satisfy my curiosity. Who knows, maybe it'll have 'it'.   ;)
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