[denny]

During my conversation with Joe, he did tell me to add the brewtan before other finings. In the kettle, I only use Irish Moss at 15 min left in the boil. I suppose I'll add the brewtan at about 20 min before the end.

The instructions also say you can add it to the mash, though I believe that you are supposed to add about 30% more. I have a partial package left I'll try to remember to look at dosage instructions when I get in.

Like I've posted a couple times before, for a 5 gal. batch the recommendation is to add 1/4 tsp. to the strike water, not the mash.  Then mix 1/2 tsp. in a slurry with water and add it with 15 min. left in the boil.  I realize that the package may say something different, but I'll follow Joe's advice.

[HoosierBrew]

Too chicken to take the red pill?

Maybe. I realize that (post-ferment) Polyclar is insoluble but, being a vinyl derivative, I'm not sure how safe I'd feel in boiling it. Seems hard to believe the vinyl compounds wouldn't leech into the wort. Maybe I'm wrong.

[denny]

If anyone here wants to try some Brewtan B, a guy on the Brews Bros. forum (www.brews-bros.com) is ordering 10 lb. and invited people here to get in on it.  http://www.brews-bros.com/topic/112100-a-separate-conversation-low-o2-brewing/page-6

[zwiller]

Too chicken to take the red pill?

Maybe. I realize that (post-ferment) Polyclar is insoluble but, being a vinyl derivative, I'm not sure how safe I'd feel in boiling it. Seems hard to believe the vinyl compounds wouldn't leech into the wort. Maybe I'm wrong.

I get that, but I'd like to think that if there was problem with a product being used since the 50's we'd know about it by now.  However, I am sure adding that acid created by chemical distillation of chinese gallnuts is 100% safe to boil...   

[narvin]

These papers and products talk specifically about shelf stability 6-12 months out and other stability issues like haze reduction.  It's a big jump to say that these will do anything other than accelerate the traditional lagering process, which does the same as fining along with other added benefits.  You can have a brilliantly bright, fresh beer after 12 weeks of lagering.

I'd be interested in speeding the process up, if it gave the same result, since I find that gelatin helps but doesn't get you all the way there.  We'll see.  But the idea that it's an all or nothing proposition is silly.

[Stevie]

Any predictions on when Brewtan B will be the first piece of "critical advice" for new brewers. I'm mean it's crazy to think that there is a possibility that all of our beers are total crap.

[HoosierBrew]

Too chicken to take the red pill?

Maybe. I realize that (post-ferment) Polyclar is insoluble but, being a vinyl derivative, I'm not sure how safe I'd feel in boiling it. Seems hard to believe the vinyl compounds wouldn't leech into the wort. Maybe I'm wrong.

I get that, but I'd like to think that if there was problem with a product being used since the 50's we'd know about it by now.  However, I am sure adding that acid created by chemical distillation of chinese gallnuts is 100% safe to boil...   

Again, I said I could be wrong. Just never heard of polyclar being used in the boil. As for the tannic acid I wouldn't feel especially concerned about boiling it, but who knows what info might turn up.

[denny]

These papers and products talk specifically about shelf stability 6-12 months out and other stability issues like haze reduction.  It's a big jump to say that these will do anything other than accelerate the traditional lagering process, which does the same as fining along with other added benefits.  You can have a brilliantly bright, fresh beer after 12 weeks of lagering.

I'd be interested in speeding the process up, if it gave the same result, since I find that gelatin helps but doesn't get you all the way there.  We'll see.  But the idea that it's an all or nothing proposition is silly.

What about prevention of oxidizing reactions?

[narcout]

I intend to talk to Joe more about it and we'll have him on the show to discuss it.

That's an interview I would be very interested in.

[brewinhard]

Picked up 50g from ibrew.com . Should be enough for ~ a dozen batches if my math is in the ballpark. Enough to get an idea on its merits.

What did that run you with shipping?

[HoosierBrew]

Picked up 50g from ibrew.com . Should be enough for ~ a dozen batches if my math is in the ballpark. Enough to get an idea on its merits.

What did that run you with shipping?

With shipping, $23ish. The actual product was $9-something. It ships from Australia. If it proves to be well liked it'll eventually trickle into more U.S. retailers and LHBS and get cheaper.

[HoosierBrew]

I intend to talk to Joe more about it and we'll have him on the show to discuss it.

That's an interview I would be very interested in.

Definitely.

[brewinhard]

Picked up 50g from ibrew.com . Should be enough for ~ a dozen batches if my math is in the ballpark. Enough to get an idea on its merits.

What did that run you with shipping?

With shipping, $23ish. The actual product was $9-something. It ships from Australia. If it proves to be well liked it'll eventually trickle into more U.S. retailers and LHBS and get cheaper.

Thanks.

[HoosierBrew]

Picked up 50g from ibrew.com . Should be enough for ~ a dozen batches if my math is in the ballpark. Enough to get an idea on its merits.

What did that run you with shipping?

With shipping, $23ish. The actual product was $9-something. It ships from Australia. If it proves to be well liked it'll eventually trickle into more U.S. retailers and LHBS and get cheaper.

Thanks.

I figure that I can get a dozen batches out of that at a couple bucks/batch, to eval. I feel like the big breweries wouldn't have been spending $ on it if it didn't have a legit impact, but who knows how that translates at home? We'll see.

[denny]

I intend to talk to Joe more about it and we'll have him on the show to discuss it.

That's an interview I would be very interested in.

Hopefully before NHC, but I want to wait til my test batches are done so I can discuss them with him.