[klickitat jim]

Anyone who cannot perform all of the calculations required to formulate a recipe and operate a brew house without the aid of software is not a brewer. Learning these calculations are part and parcel of learning to become a brewer.  Brew house calculations are brewing fundamentals much in the way that calculus and differential equations are part of an engineer's fundamentals.

Mark, I love you passion, but this is elitist bull crap.

Like many things Mark advocates, what's right for him may not be right for other people....like you and me!

Then I'm in good company

I don't disagree with the idea that brewers ought to strive for better understanding of the process. But you're not a brewer unless... ? I called elitist bull crap because I'm just trying to help Mark not throw out the petite mutants with the surfactant.

[denny]

Anyone who cannot perform all of the calculations required to formulate a recipe and operate a brew house without the aid of software is not a brewer. Learning these calculations are part and parcel of learning to become a brewer.  Brew house calculations are brewing fundamentals much in the way that calculus and differential equations are part of an engineer's fundamentals.

Mark, I love you passion, but this is elitist bull crap.

Like many things Mark advocates, what's right for him may not be right for other people....like you and me!

Then I'm in good company

I don't disagree with the idea that brewers ought to strive for better understanding of the process. But you're not a brewer unless... ? I called elitist bull crap because I'm just trying to help Mark not throw out the petite mutants with the surfactant.

If I was to take Mark's statement at face value, then I'm not a brewer.  A bit like the people who say that using a Zymatic is not brewing...says who?  Who's making the rules?  Who's keeping score?  As I've said before, this is HOMEbrewing and we each get to define what means for us.

[HoosierBrew]

I did calculations long enough not to miss them when the good software came out. Same reason I can live with myself just fine if I use a Casio calculator. I think knowing how to do the calculations first is a good thing, but I work a lot and have kids - bring on the software.   

[Stevie]

Zymatic is to brewing what a washer and dryer are to laundry.

[denny]

Zymatic is to brewing what a washer and dry are to laundry.

THIS^^^^^  I'm gonna steal that quote!

[hopfenundmalz]

Zymatic is to brewing what a washer and dry are to laundry.

THIS^^^^^  I'm gonna steal that quote!

You don't go down to the creek and beat the clothes between rocks? My grandmother heated the water to do laundry on a wood cook stove, had tubs to wash in, then a hand cranked wringer that the clothes were run through before the clothes line to dry.

Today we discuss front load vs top load. 

[case thrower]

Zymatic is to brewing what a washer and dry are to laundry.

THIS^^^^^  I'm gonna steal that quote!

Denny, just make sure you give credit where credit is due.  Ben Franklin said it first!

From my point of view, here's the thing.  I don't want to be an ENGINEER, I don't even want to be a BREWER.  I'm retired.  I'm math challenged.  Hell, I threw cases for most of my working career.  I just want to be a HOMEBREWER.  And if I need software to get the job done, what do you care?  It's not like I'm going to share my beer with anyone else.

[Jeffinn]

Denny, just make sure you give credit where credit is due.  Ben Franklin said it first!

From my point of view, here's the thing.  I don't want to be an ENGINEER, I don't even want to be a BREWER.  I'm retired.  I'm math challenged.  Hell, I threw cases for most of my working career.  I just want to be a HOMEBREWER.  And if I need software to get the job done, what do you care?  It's not like I'm going to share my beer with anyone else.

Well Said!

[69franx]

Zymatic is to brewing what a washer and dry are to laundry.

THIS^^^^^  I'm gonna steal that quote!

Denny, just make sure you give credit where credit is due.  Ben Franklin said it first!

From my point of view, here's the thing.  I don't want to be an ENGINEER, I don't even want to be a BREWER.  I'm retired.  I'm math challenged.  Hell, I threw cases for most of my working career.  I just want to be a HOMEBREWER.  And if I need software to get the job done, what do you care?  It's not like I'm going to share my beer with anyone else.

+1, I like it!

[Wort-H.O.G.]

Great points by all. Love my software and makes it all simplified for me. I agree that the access to info online makes for learning brewing so much easier. I didn't like extract and moved into all grain quickly- greatly and by this forum, software, and online reading/learning.


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