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lager recipe for lager-hater
« on: October 22, 2015, 03:07:57 PM »
OK, not really a lager-hater, but I find lagers nothing special.  I know that makes me a zythological degenerate, and that's why I want to try making one that I might like.  Especially now that I've read about the quick lager brewing recipe on the Brulosopher website, and my fridge will not be occupied for months.

So what's a good lager? Crispy, not too malty, something that I myself will like and that will be appreciated by the 80% of my (Belgian) family who think that an American IPA is made from the pus out of Beelzebub's cold sores.

And since I have some Mandarina Bavaria to play with, why not include that in the recipe?

Thanks in advance for your recommendations!
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2015, 03:11:34 PM »
You really can't beat a Vienna lager.  Use almost 100% Vienna malt, just a touch of CaraMunich, noble hops, and 2206 yeast.  Those are all the keys to it.  You can play with other specialty malts if you want, play around with hops, use whatever mash schedule you like, ferment as slow or fast as you like.  But just use a ton of Vienna and the 2206, and you're 95% of the way there.
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2015, 03:15:14 PM »
Saying you find lagers to be nothing special is like saying you don't find food to be anything special...there are too many varieties of each to make a blanket statement.
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2015, 03:22:24 PM »
A good Dortmunder is pretty hard to beat IMO.

88% Pils
10% Munich
2% Melanoiden

WY 2124

30 IBU - HM @ 60, 20, 5, FO
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2015, 03:27:05 PM »
You really can't beat a Vienna lager.  Use almost 100% Vienna malt, just a touch of CaraMunich, noble hops, and 2206 yeast.  Those are all the keys to it.  You can play with other specialty malts if you want, play around with hops, use whatever mash schedule you like, ferment as slow or fast as you like.  But just use a ton of Vienna and the 2206, and you're 95% of the way there.

Is a Vienna lager "not too malty"?

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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2015, 03:36:47 PM »
Saying you find lagers to be nothing special is like saying you don't find food to be anything special...there are too many varieties of each to make a blanket statement.

OK, let me rephrase: I know almost nothing about lagers.  I don NOT like lagers style Stella, Jupiler, Heineken. Last lager I drank was a couple of days ago, a bottle of Paulaner Muenchner Helles. Not out of the ordinary but not bad either. And a couple of months ago I was in Vienna. No memorable lagers there.  One I found not too bad was a draft Bohemian Dunkel, if that is a style.
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2015, 04:02:43 PM »
Is a Vienna lager "not too malty"?

Gosh, you've got to take all the fun out of it, don't you!

You're right, you don't like lagers.  :P ;)
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2015, 04:18:06 PM »
A good Dortmunder is pretty hard to beat IMO.

88% Pils
10% Munich
2% Melanoiden

WY 2124

30 IBU - HM @ 60, 20, 5, FO
That looks awesome Jon, might have to look into one of these myself
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2015, 04:21:37 PM »
Black Lager maybe? Something like a clean schwarzbier (or however you spell that) with like 85% pils, 10% caraffa III, and 5% munich. Maybe get really funky and load up on the mandarina late and it's almost like a black IPL.

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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2015, 04:22:42 PM »
A good Dortmunder is pretty hard to beat IMO.

88% Pils
10% Munich
2% Melanoiden

WY 2124

30 IBU - HM @ 60, 20, 5, FO
That looks awesome Jon, might have to look into one of these myself

It's tasty.  Also, I target 1.056-ish.  1/2 the IBU @ 60, the rest spread over the other 3 additions. Need to brew another soon.
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2015, 04:24:37 PM »
All good to know, thanks Jon
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2015, 04:27:08 PM »
A good Dortmunder is pretty hard to beat IMO.

88% Pils
10% Munich
2% Melanoiden

WY 2124

30 IBU - HM @ 60, 20, 5, FO
Would that also work with MB?
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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2015, 04:51:20 PM »
A good Dortmunder is pretty hard to beat IMO.

88% Pils
10% Munich
2% Melanoiden

WY 2124

30 IBU - HM @ 60, 20, 5, FO
Would that also work with MB?

It could - it'd be a little fruitier in terms of hop character obviously and not 'traditional'. Doesn't mean it wouldn't be good by any means.
Jon H.

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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2015, 08:19:24 PM »
Here's my favorite lager I brew (It's the beer I dink the most of from everything I brew)

1.058
19 BUs
73.2% Vienna (Best)
25.4% Pils (Best)
1.4% carafa Special II (cold soaked added after vorlauf)
Approx 19 IBUs German Mangum @ 60
About .75 oz per 5 gallons American Crystal hops @ flame out

WY2124

Dough in 150-152 for 60 min. Pitch at 48 and ferment at 48 before raising for d rest near end of fermentation.

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Re: lager recipe for lager-hater
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2015, 08:28:54 PM »
What do you think about a Munich, California, or Schwartz?