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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2015, 07:29:41 pm »
There are already similar products being developed. 

Brewie: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/brewie-world-s-first-fully-automated-home-brewery#/

MiniBrew: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/minibrew-the-easiest-smartest-brewing-machine#/

Not after these ventures get a visit from PicoBrew's legal team!  It pays to perform a patent search before attempting to enter another company's market.
Too bad their crack legal staff didn't find that Mike O'Brien had been selling pico-brewing half barrel rims systems from the late 90s. He had common law trademark rights, could have raised a stink, but that is not his style. Many in the Midwest have Mike's systems, including me and some guy named Gordon.
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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2015, 07:39:24 pm »
Too bad their crack legal staff didn't find that Mike O'Brien had been selling pico-brewing half barrel rims systems from the late 90s. He had common law trademark rights, could have raised a stink, but that is not his style. Many in the Midwest have Mike's systems, including me and some guy named Gordon.

Two of the guys are former Microsofties.  One thing that Microsoft pushes its employees to do is apply for patents. It does not matter if there is prior art.  Microsoft is very good at securing patents.  It no longer matters if there is prior art since the move to first inventor to file in 2013.   

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2015, 08:39:04 pm »
Too bad their crack legal staff didn't find that Mike O'Brien had been selling pico-brewing half barrel rims systems from the late 90s. He had common law trademark rights, could have raised a stink, but that is not his style. Many in the Midwest have Mike's systems, including me and some guy named Gordon.

Two of the guys are former Microsofties.  One thing that Microsoft pushes its employees to do is apply for patents. It does not matter if there is prior art.  Microsoft is very good at securing patents.  It no longer matters if there is prior art since the move to first inventor to file in 2013.   

Trademark law vs patent law, Mark. There are common law trademarks that can stand in their area of use if the common law holder disputes the trademark.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2015, 06:06:27 am »
Trademark law vs patent law, Mark. There are common law trademarks that can stand in their area of use if the common law holder disputes the trademark.

I was just commenting about the fact the guys running the company were conditioned to apply for patents for anything that may be patentable during their tenure at Microsoft. 

Trademarks are forever, that is, unless they are abandoned.  I am surprised that the guy at Pico Brewing never registered his trademark.  I had a small (as in one man small) operating system extension software company back in my late twenties.  I registered my trademark and filed for copyright protection for all of my products even though they were copyrighted the moment that they were completed.  That was before software patents were the mess that they are today.  I was told that registration is a prerequisite for filing an infringement suit.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2015, 12:27:55 pm »
This looks very cool and I was excited to see a few of my local brewers here in Sacramento are involved (Track 7 and New Helvetia).

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2015, 02:44:07 pm »
The Pico sounds like the Keurig of the brewing world.
That doesn't really fit. I think Denny said the beer from the Pico was actually good.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2015, 12:16:17 pm »
I am not sure about the set it and forget it style of brewing myself. I am sure there is plenty of market but I guess I am more hands on. Crush, mash, vorlauf, lauter, boil, cool, ferment, keg ...all gravity, no pumps, hands on. Cheap and easy.
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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2015, 09:46:31 am »
I am not sure about the set it and forget it style of brewing myself. I am sure there is plenty of market but I guess I am more hands on. Crush, mash, vorlauf, lauter, boil, cool, ferment, keg ...all gravity, no pumps, hands on. Cheap and easy.

Keep in mind that the market for the Pico is not really homewbrewers.
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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2015, 03:29:24 am »
The market appears to be gadget junkie millennials, which of course means I want one.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2015, 10:05:12 am »
The market appears to be gadget junkie millennials, which of course means I want one.

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well, that's one.  They have a huge worldwide market in places where access to good beer may be limited.  Those people can now make recipes from breweries all over the world even if they can't go out and buy the beer those breweries make.
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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2015, 05:07:46 pm »
And people who have moved away from favorite places I would imagine.  I am also hopeful it gives those 5L kegs a popularity boost, as I was thinking of going that route in the future.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2016, 11:01:11 am »
Jump bumping this to see who is interested...at $699 it's easier to swallow than the previous model. I'm interested to hear how the 1.3 gallon or so batches turn out and if the results are fairly repeatable.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2016, 11:04:27 am »
Jump bumping this to see who is interested...at $699 it's easier to swallow than the previous model. I'm interested to hear how the 1.3 gallon or so batches turn out and if the results are fairly repeatable.

If you look at the Kickstarter video they posted, you can see me trying the beers.  They were as good as any beer made any other way.  And yes, it's incredibly repeatable...that's half the purpose.  Keep in mind, though, that the Pico has some limitations the Zymatic doesn't.  For one thing, you're limited to pre made recipe packs.
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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2016, 11:28:07 am »
Jump bumping this to see who is interested...at $699 it's easier to swallow than the previous model. I'm interested to hear how the 1.3 gallon or so batches turn out and if the results are fairly repeatable.

If you look at the Kickstarter video they posted, you can see me trying the beers.  They were as good as any beer made any other way.  And yes, it's incredibly repeatable...that's half the purpose.  Keep in mind, though, that the Pico has some limitations the Zymatic doesn't.  For one thing, you're limited to pre made recipe packs.

Denny, please send me your Pico...for science.

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Re: New Pico Brew
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2016, 11:37:16 am »
Jump bumping this to see who is interested...at $699 it's easier to swallow than the previous model. I'm interested to hear how the 1.3 gallon or so batches turn out and if the results are fairly repeatable.

If you look at the Kickstarter video they posted, you can see me trying the beers.  They were as good as any beer made any other way.  And yes, it's incredibly repeatable...that's half the purpose.  Keep in mind, though, that the Pico has some limitations the Zymatic doesn't.  For one thing, you're limited to pre made recipe packs.

Denny, please send me your Pico...for science.

:)  Sorry, I don't have a Pico yet...just a Zymatic.
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